Not By Works

[Ralph-]

Under the law, we should stone adulterers. You want to start?

Since when did the death sentence go away for adultery? It didn't. What changed is through the Holy Spirit given in this New Covenant we know that only a spiritual moron would justly and lawfully put someone to death for their sins deserving death while they themselves are guilty of sins that deserve death.

 

[Shamah]

I wonder if these are true? I beleive they are true:



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 13:41-43, “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]judgment seat” is word #G968 - béma: a step, raised place, by impl. A tribunal, Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: béma, Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma), Short Definition: the space covered by a step of the foot, a tribunal, Definition: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.[/FONT]

 

[stonesoffire]

So true obedience is to do nothing and let Him do it? But I thought we were supposed to do His will? I get nonw can enter the kingdom based on their own merits and all need mercy, without this all would fall short, but how does this mean we do not live the life He wants us to?

SO many verses saying to do His will:

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”


John 13:35, “By this shall all know that you are My taught ones, if you have love for one another.”


John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."


Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"


Mat 4:17, “From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

If He gave everything for me I feel the desire to do what He wwants me to ass best I can with the strength He has given me.

"If He gave everything for me I feel the desire to do what He wwants me to ass best I can with the strength He has given me."

ok, if you add through the empowerment of Holy Spirit then I agree. The first part I would say...bingo!

 

[Ralph-]

My lawlessness was crucified Ralph.

You can say that all day long, but if you are living in lawlessness your lawlessness is not crucified with Christ as you think. The crucified sin nature means more than just not being legally guilty of being lawless. That's what Christians don't seem to understand.

 

[stonesoffire]

"If He gave everything for me I feel the desire to do what He wwants me to ass best I can with the strength He has given me."

ok, if you add through the empowerment of Holy Spirit then I agree. The first part I would say...bingo!

I have a little dog who has who has health issues and needs me. So later to all.

 

[Shamah]

"If He gave everything for me I feel the desire to do what He wwants me to ass best I can with the strength He has given me."

ok, if you add through the empowerment of Holy Spirit then I agree. The first part I would say...bingo!

what part of "with the strength He has given me" implies any different? Come on your splitting hairs here.

I can say with every bit of my heart I am living proff of this:

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."



Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”



Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Yet I am spoken bad of for saying His Law is in my eart.

I trust Yah over man so I do not worry:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”[/FONT]

 

[faceoff]

Well you have to do something, don't you.

 

[Ralph-]

Because those that do talk as though their piety makes them better and so they set themselves up to instruct the rest of us on how to do things the right way

We know there's nothing wrong with instructing others. Thinking that a person instructing others is them being pious and setting themselves up as better than those he's teaching would be the sin of judging in the one being instructed.

If there's one thing we are not allowed to do it's judge the motive of a person's heart. We can judge behavior, but we can not judge motive just because we don't like or agree with what someone is saying we must do as Christians.

 

[Zi]

Thinking has nothing to do with. Their intentions are all over their posts much like yours. Obvious to some

We know there's nothing wrong with instructing others. Thinking that a person instructing others is them being pious and setting themselves up as better than those he's teaching would be the sin of judging in the one being instructed.

If there's one thing we are not allowed to do it's judge the motive of a person's heart. We can judge behavior, but we can not judge motive just because we don't like or agree with what someone is saying we must do as Christians.

 

[TruthTalk]

This Lord's-Day Morning, December 6th, 1868,
At the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington

A Sermon By: C.H. Spurgeon

"And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness."- Gen 15:6​

C. H. Spurgeon : Justification by Faith—Illustrated by Abram's Righteousness

With your Bibles open, kindly observe that after it is written his faith was counted to him for righteousness, it is recorded that the Lord said to him, "I am Jehovah that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it." When the soul is graciously enabled to perceive its complete justification by faith, then it more distinctly discerns its calling. Now, the believer perceives his privileged separation and discerns why he was convinced of sin, why he was led away from self-righteousness and the pleasures of this world, to live the life of faith; now he sees his high calling and the prize of it, and from the one blessing of justification he argues the blessedness of all the inheritance to which he is called.

The more clear a man is about his justification the more will he prize his calling, and the more earnestly will he seek to make it sure by perfecting his separation from the world and his conformity to his Lord. Am I a justified man? Then will I not go back to that bondage in which I once was held. Am I now accepted of God through faith? Then will I live no longer by sight, as I once did as a carnal man, when I understood not the power of trusting in the unseen God. One Christian grace helps another, and one act of divine grace casts a refulgence upon another. Calling gleams with double glory side by side with the twin star of justification.

Dear friends, this last word, and I send you home. Have you believed in God? Have you trusted Christ? O that you would do so today! To believe that God speaks truth ought not to be hard; and if we were not very wicked this would never need to be urged upon us, we should do it naturally. To believe that Christ is able to save us seems to me to be easy enough, and it would be if our hearts were not so hard. Believe thy God, man, and think it no little thing to do so. May the Holy Ghost lead thee to a true trust. This is the work of God, that ye believe on Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. Believe that the Son of God can save, and confide thyself alone in him, and he will save thee.

He asks nothing but faith, and even this he gives thee; and if thou hast it, all thy doubts and sins, thy trials and troubles put together, shall not shut thee out of heaven. God shall fulfill his promise, and surely bring thee in to possess the land which floweth with milk and honey.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 15:5-16, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you.”[/FONT]

 

[Ralph-]

If one has the divine nature don't you think one would know by instinct not to murder? I couldn't think of any other words than by instinct.

I think that's a good word for it. A spiritual instinct.
The point being, we tend to not let others have different spiritual instinctive obedience than what we believe we ourselves should have. We need to recognize that and understand that not all law keepers without exception are being observant because they are trying to justify themselves through the law. They can have good reasons for keeping the laws they keep just as you do for the laws you keep.

Im far from a religious person, or being a legalist.

That's my point. Your law keeping is not legalism, but for some reason Hiz's can only be that. If your law keeping is not legalism why does Hiz's HAVE to be?

 

[Ralph-]

Thinking has nothing to do with. Their intentions are all over their posts much like yours. Obvious to some

No one that I know of has said keeping the law is for the purpose of earning your salvation. You can certainly think that's what they mean, but you can not assert that is what they are doing. If they are saying one thing but believe differently in their heart that is between them and God. But they are definitely not saying that or even hinting at it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your understanding of the new birth is off. And you aren't trusting in the work of Holy Spirit. Budman, Dcon and others have spoken of the chastening of God. That's what happens to His children. Get out of line, get paddled good.

We aren't bastards. We are born of His seed. That means He is ruling within Now for the kingdom of God is within. The kingdom of heaven is our destination.

You are flippant with your words of eternal torment. That's forvthecwicked who reject God in every way.

And being actually born of His seed matters greatly.

Whatever block is in your understanding, you must love.

Amen....he like all workers for who place such emphasis upon works for, works to keep, or works to maintain salvation (all three false) fail to acknowledge that by belieiving into Jesus by faith = the works of the Heavenly Father.....their working for drivel will take many to the pit

 

[dcontroversal]

Looking unto Jesus, the author, and finisher of our faith. Looking away from self. Ralph, Ralph, when shall ye awaken?

Never as long as he keeps trusting works

 

[dcontroversal]

Why would you put your faith in the work of baptism and not God?

What makes adding baptism any different than adding circumcision?

Are we saved by faith, or works?

My bible states clearly that it is faith that saves and justifies......works do not save, keep saved or embellish and top off salvation.....

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”[/FONT]

 

[dcontroversal]

I do not answer most of his nonsense, Must like Ralph, or Johns imputation of Jesus Faith, I just ignore it. People make up stuff, and I get sick of trying to respond to made up stuff.. (like the pharisee did not think he was righteous because he obeyed Gods commands) there is only so many times you can respond until it just gets old.

He wants you to think Abraham was found by his works not his faith. Of course if this were true, Jesus could have kept his abode in heaven, and made us all earn our salvation by our works.

I know.....logically and biblically deduced truth = works for is nothing but a joke that leads men to hell and to push that garbage or believe it one must deny the words faith, believe, gift, eternal, justified, saved, by, imputed, etc......

 

[dcontroversal]

It is false to preach that the Pharisees were keeping God's Commands. You are just making this up to justify your traditions. You call Jesus a liar every time you preach this nonsense. And it is a falsehood to say God didn't bless Abraham because Abraham trusted Him enough to follow His instructions. You just make this up to justify your religious traditions. Every time you preach Abraham had faith without works you make God a liar. God is not a liar EG. He said He blessed Abraham "BECAUSE" Abraham obeyed Him. Jesus is not a liar EG, He said the Pharisees were not obeying God, but had created their own commandments.

Why you refuse to accept these simply, clearly outlined truths is fascinating to me.

No, actually it is true......Paul was clear...Outwardly as a Pharisee and concerning the law he was beyond reproach....can't you workers for get your facts straight? Obviously not!!

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]