Though you worded the phrase incorrectly, the point is correct.
Jesus is referencing the Pharisees in Matt 15:8 and Mark 7:6.
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Jesus is referencing the Pharisees in Matt 15:8 and Mark 7:6.
I agree, I think you should take it, my friend. I fear you have already strayed too far to return, as you
tried to say to me. When you cannot see what is evil and what is good, something is very wrong.
Yikes!
Thanks for the post.
I had just enough time to edit mine on the same subject...but I missed the "rewording".
Being blind often makes one a defiler.
Look at the Pharisees, they thought they were right about everything. They thought they were God's chosen. They thought they were putting out the flames of evil. They thought they were doing God's work. They thought Jesus was blasphemous.
And all in all, it was themselves that they should have questioned. But probably never would have, even if they saw what Jesus created out of his death. This mindset is so interwoven and trapped in itself, it makes it almost impossible to admit, maybe they were wrong. The devil rules this world based on these type of men. They would send people to their death and never admit error.
Be wary of one who seems incapable of questioning themselves. You are open about your actions all the time. What do they do, but accuse YOU of being the one who isn't open. Can they give examples of when they are open??
Forgive them father for they know not what they do. The blind do not see what they do, and will often be blind until their own death. If that comes within their life then good, change is possible, but if it comes at the end of their life, they have learnt nothing. It is nice when you see people turn over a new leaf. Like when a drug addict decides to be free.
You are helpful, and they do not even see it! They just see all that they despise.
Look at the Pharisees, they thought they were right about everything. They thought they were God's chosen. They thought they were putting out the flames of evil. They thought they were doing God's work. They thought Jesus was blasphemous.
And all in all, it was themselves that they should have questioned. But probably never would have, even if they saw what Jesus created out of his death. This mindset is so interwoven and trapped in itself, it makes it almost impossible to admit, maybe they were wrong. The devil rules this world based on these type of men. They would send people to their death and never admit error.
Be wary of one who seems incapable of questioning themselves. You are open about your actions all the time. What do they do, but accuse YOU of being the one who isn't open. Can they give examples of when they are open??
Forgive them father for they know not what they do. The blind do not see what they do, and will often be blind until their own death. If that comes within their life then good, change is possible, but if it comes at the end of their life, they have learnt nothing. It is nice when you see people turn over a new leaf. Like when a drug addict decides to be free.
You are helpful, and they do not even see it! They just see all that they despise.
By the way I have noticed some members do terrible things like posting comments, and
Others, the most blessed post responses.
It is so appalling, they deserve to be excused/banned/congratulated, depending how well
certain people like them or not....
You may notice a random element is involved, normally associated with the I am right
faction.
Now sincerely I thought people would be fairly honest. Nope, bias is probably worse.
For those seeking Christ, know nothing can stop you, amen
Others, the most blessed post responses.
It is so appalling, they deserve to be excused/banned/congratulated, depending how well
certain people like them or not....
You may notice a random element is involved, normally associated with the I am right
faction.
Now sincerely I thought people would be fairly honest. Nope, bias is probably worse.
For those seeking Christ, know nothing can stop you, amen
Christ is all about "pure" religion.
He made it possible!
He will not take you "as you are", but will after you have turned from sin.
The "rapture" is the end of the world, and if it happens during your life...you will know it.
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People are entitled to their opinions,but the times that someone gets out of hand that's what mods and banning are for as well as rules,otherwise chaos could run rampant.
Well that's obviously wrong. Look at Hebrews 7:11
Hebrews 7:11 [FONT="]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[/FONT]Its talking about the whole Law here, not just the Levitical priesthood.
And the change of that Law was going from a Carnal Commandment to the Power of an endless life.
2 Corinthians 3:7 [FONT="]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[/FONT]The law of sin and death WRITTEN ON STONE.
Romans 8:3 [FONT="]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[/FONT]Weak through the flesh. As in carnal. As in carnal commandment.
I think part of your problem is your corrupt and misleading bible you are using.
You don't realize that trying to follow the law by your own understanding and strength IS living through the flesh.
Trying to follow a carnal command.
Thats what Judaism attempted.
You posted..."I saw it said that knowing to do good, and not doing it, is sin. Did you miss that? So being obedient to God all the time, as you say, is not on the table when sins of omission are present."
If I misunderstood your point, perhaps you could clarify it a bit?
Who is we? I can only speak for myself. Are you an omnipresent being who is we.....
Should I be worried ?
A number say it is impossible to live His word. I thought you were one of them!!!!!
No Judaisim makes itt's own laws.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]
2 Kings 17:19, “Yehuḏah, also, did not guard the commands of יהוה their Strength, but walked in the laws of Yisra’yl which they made.”
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
I don't think phart is trying to cloud anything as you say in order to cause others to stumble and fall...I just don't think that's his heart Joe. And he doesn't strike me as highly prideful or selfish. By all I have seen over time, he appears to have some growth in the virtue of humility, taking small meanesses toward him or sharp words toward himself without responding in kind most of the time. He appears to have more than a small amount of control over his tongue. You may think he has some error or has not yet been shown something, but I don't see how one could have spent some amount of conversation with him and come to the assessment that you have. I think you shouldn't judge a man so much by his doctrine (because no man has perfect doctrine and no man is without some error at any given time in his walk with God) as much as by his fruit of the Spirit, as we are not told we will know them by their doctrine but by their fruit (humility, patience, kindness, not reviling back, etc.)
Perfection of doctrine is the darling of we protestants but it is not possible or men would know Gods mind in everything. And even Paul once said, I THINK I have the mind of God on this...
I just don't think that was a fair, accurate or discerning assessment of the man. Even those who disagree with him would mostly agree with me on that I think...
Allow me to refresh your memory:
Somehow you got from this that I think that men who love God above all else will not love their neighbor as themselves too. How you got there, I have no idea. But then again, those who believe themselves sinless, or following after Christ when clearly they are not, often fall into egregious error. Sometimes it may be unwitting, but other times it really does come across as pride parading itself around in hypocrisy and self righteousness, which hardly seems accidental. In fact, as just happened a little while ago, we had one of the most hateful people I have ever met on this site, come into the thread condemning some people for condemning people while applauding some others for condemning people. The level of hypocrisy is astounding
No doubt they are blind to it. Who is we? I can only speak for myself. Are you an omnipresent being who is we.....
Should I be worried ?
A number say it is impossible to live His word. I thought you were one of them!!!!!
I am not saying it is impossible to live by the Word. I am saying that according to the definition of sin contained in the Word, no one is sinless. not you, not me, not anyone.
you can claim you don't sin all you want, but it is not true. by the definition of sin that the Bible lays out.
Romans 7 -13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me?
Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
Acts16:3, “Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him.”
Galatians 5:2, “Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole Law”
Galatians 6:2, “Carry each others burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:5, “For every man shall bear his own burden.”
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]
Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.
1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
Acts16:3, “Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him.”
Galatians 5:2, “Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole Law”
Galatians 6:2, “Carry each others burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:5, “For every man shall bear his own burden.”
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]