Are you chosing to miss the proverbial gates based upon your self saving dogma or just ignorant of the truth?
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Are you chosing to miss the proverbial gates based upon your self saving dogma or just ignorant of the truth?
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eternally-gratefull
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Not quite....faith plus anything = false gospel with no power to save....kind of like what you espouse.....
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PHart
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That's where the blood of Christ comes in. Don't you even understand the gospel?
According to your theology, both. So what are you arguing about? What's really bothering you about this?
Amen.....my bible states that those who exercise faith....faith that has not been embellished by works, law keeping or self sustainment.....
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Well of course I understand it, But they way you went at DC. It was obvious you did not understand it, which is why I asked.
Nope. Not both. And if you KNEW my theology you would understand that, But thanks, You just proved you have utterly no clue what my theology is. Were you not just dogging on DC for misunderstanding what others believe?
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”
Hebrews 3:3:18-19, “And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief."
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."
Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.”
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Faith justifies ALL BY ITSELF. But if you ain't got works to go with your faith YOU AIN'T GOT THE FAITH THAT JUSTIFIES ALL BY ITSELF. I know you agree with this....sometimes. I mean when not bashing Christians for thinking they have the spiritual obligation, by virtue of faith, to produce obedience to God.
What you, along with most of the church don't understand is they are not keeping the law to be justified. They are keeping the law out of love and adoration for God, just as we (sometimes) think we have to 'not murder', or 'not steal' out of love and adoration for God. You either are incapable of understanding that, or you are choosing not to understand it. Which is it?
Oh, you mean your 'faith + believing' thing, as if they are two different things in justification. The 'believing' part being works, according to you. That'a a really bad doctrine.
You have yet to show me where that is in the Bible. And since you haven't shown me, I must conclude that it is not in the Bible and you made it up.
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They understand perfectly that the law is not for justifying a person, and that the blood of Christ fills in where perfection lacks. So don't you EVER play the 'nobody can keep the law' card again. Not ever. Do you hear me?
And flooding this thread with walls and walls of lines and line of scripture is contra to any dialog. "What we have here is a failure to communicate." quote from the movie; "Cool hand Luke" 1967.....
Welcome back crossnote
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Why is it that you folks can't understand that they are observant for the exact same reason we say the believer can not murder? Are you choosing not to understand the argument, or are you incapable of understanding the argument?And flooding this thread with walls and walls of lines and line of scripture is contra to any dialog. "What we have here is a failure to communicate." quote from the movie; "Cool hand Luke" 1967.....
Welcome back crossnote
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I believe in Christ, so, according to your doctrine HOW AM I GOING TO MISS THE GATES OF HEAVEN?
They believe in Christ too, so, according to your doctrine HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MISS THE GATES OF HEAVEN?
Show me a verse that states man can keep the law....and In
will raise one that states "Break one of the least of the commandments and you are guilty of the whole".
Unless you keep ALL APPLICABLE LAWS 24/7/365 you are not keeping the LAW.....and that is what you and your attempted law keeping cronies fail to understand.
Only 1 kept the law....JESUS....THE REST ARE FOUND GUILTY UNDER THE LAW!
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They are quite aware that they are not going to be able to keep the law 24/7/365. They know the blood of Christ forgives them when they fail. How are you not getting this?????
Your root.....you embellish Chriat with I must keep or lose it.....that root is not genuine faith and or hope......the hope of the bible is a confident expectation of something GUARANTEED....not something that must be MAINTAINED BY MAN AND THEN MAYBE YOU MAKE IT......!
Thanks for proving the point...NO ONE KEEPS THE LAW...IT CONDEMNS and points to Jesus
Geesh....tell that to David....a man after God's own heart.....I bet Uriah would beg to differ......do you think before you type!
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Then why do you care, since in your OSAS doctrine they're still saved anyway?
What's eating you about this? Can't you just leave 'em alone to love God and give him thanks in the way they want to? Us Protestants and Catholics did that.....we invented holy days to do that, so why can't they have their own holy days to do that? They just happen to want to use the ones that God made, not the ones that man made.
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