Not By Works

[Stephen63]

You really think you've got everyone here snowed don't you? Well, you do seem to have a few people tricked..I'll give you that..You are pretty skilled in manipulation. I've watched as you bait others into arguments and then you cry and play the victim card.

Kudos to you, I guess...but I think it's a shame.

I've watched as you have followed and baited BeyondET for months now and not just him but others, as well. Then when you get called out for you're little games, he gets an infractions for referring the things you do to a black widow spinning a web....yet, you can call him an ugly little spider and what not...

But you're the victim here, right?

Hi 1ofthem,

I'm seeing it more & more, & it's mostly females doing it.

Asking questions, acting interested about learning more, and all the while they're looking for ways to accuse & attack you.

They set it up, & another member will jump in & start.

I think we have one guy doing it also.

 

[Stephen63]

After you for falsly accusing me and judging my motive the other day.....of course I fully expect you to deny and not get right!

No..... you just jumped Meggido for no apparent reason. Don't lie.

And don't try that little deflection trick, either.

You're gonna halfto get a new bag of tricks if you're gonna fool folks now, because you've used the others too much.

 

[tourist]

I don't need validation p4t
^_^

that message you quoted was in response to something magenta said

and also true


do you not consider this an assembly of believers ?

I certainly do.

 

[tourist]

Yeah......workers for will find out one day....albeit too late.....

I like that word 'albeit'. What's it mean?

 

[Stephen63]

Some people will say, you have to follow the commandments, but neglect to say which ones they mean. Someone apparently listed fifty of them recently. Others say the ten, and still others, the 613 mitzvot, which were never given to us in the first place, and cannot be followed anyways, since there is no Temple. To break the law in part is to break it in full, but they conveniently overlook that. Jesus said all the law and all the prophets were fulfilled in the great commandment.

There are many commands to obey in the NT.

Just because you don't know what they are doesn't mean you don't have to observe them.

John 14
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22Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

Perhaps you don't know enough about Jesus to know this is in the Bible.

 

[Grace777x70]

We need to stop back-biting others as we are only destroying ourselves.

Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.


The word "consumed" means to destroy.


Galatians 5:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

[SUP]26 [/SUP] Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't need validation p4t

Nor will you receive any from me because it is undue. You can get your validation from the several who are disobedient to Christ.

that message you quoted was in response to something magenta said

Yes, fully aware, but contained in it was your referencing others who have rightly called you out for your repudiation of church. That includes me, so it wasn't only Magenta you were addressing. It was others as well.

You sought validation of others who share your attitude about church which is why you put it out there. I'm here to invalidate that.

Anyhow, congrats! You got pats on the back for your stance against Christ and his church of which you were seeking affirmation.

and also true

OK, so what you said was true. What I said was also. You weren't just addressing Magenta, you took a swing at those who have called you out, seeking to garner approval for your stance, and disagreements toward those whose stance is biblical.

Basically it was all carnal and divisive, not to mention your unbiblical walk.

do you not consider this an asembly of believers ?

CC isn't a church, nor are you in church or attending church by typing on a keyboard in a forum.

You will stand before Christ and give an account of this, though, you think you're justified and that you will not.

I take it from the many likes you got here for your stance against Christ's bride, rebellion to His decree of assembly that many here as well do not attend church either and/or heartily support those who publicly rebel against the assembly.

That is shameful.

No one should be arguing theology on a forum who doesn't place themselves under the authority of a local church, because frankly they are behavioral heretics and hypocrites.

I will gladly continue on this stance even in the face of those who say they love Jesus and hate his bride, no matter how unpopular this biblical stance becomes among professing believers.

 

[Stephen63]

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. (John 10:27-30) Those are the words of Jesus. Who are you accusing of not believing what He said?

Those that hear His voice obey His word.

How else can you follow Jesus? By acknowledging "that's right"? By saying "I love you Jesus"

"Saying" faith is no faith at all.

 

[notuptome]

I like that word 'albeit'. What's it mean?

It is listed in the dictionary. Short definition would be although.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Lord, hasten to my help!
Let those be turned back because of their shame who say, Aha! Aha!
And let those who love your salvation say continually, LET GOD BE MAGNIFIED!

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Nor will you receive any from me because it is undue. You can get your validation from the several who are disobedient to Christ.
wouldn't mean a thing to me either way


Yes, fully aware, but contained in it was your referencing others who have rightly called you out for your repudiation of church. That includes me, so it wasn't only Magenta you were addressing. It was others as well.
You sought validation of others who share your attitude about church which is why you put it out there. I'm here to invalidate that.
many assumptions, "if it doesnt apply, let it fly" i suppose
Anyhow, congrats! You got pats on the back for your stance against Christ and his church of which you were seeking affirmation.

again, youre seeing things that arent even there...

OK, so what you said was true. What I said was also. You weren't just addressing Magenta, you took a swing at those who have called you out, seeking to garner approval for your stance, and disagreements toward those whose stance is biblical.

Basically it was all carnal and divisive, not to mention your unbiblical walk.
interesting


CC isn't a church, nor are you in church or attending church by typing on a keyboard in a forum.
fair enough, i disagree that this isnt a gathering of believers or a congregation
You will stand before Christ and give an account of this, though, you think you're justified and that you will not.
i have no doubt we will both have to answer for this, if i offended you i am sorry
I take it from the many likes you got here for your stance against Christ's bride, rebellion to His decree of assembly that many here as well do not attend church either and/or heartily support those who publicly rebel against the assembly.
i have no desire to forsake fellowship face to face, you will see how wrong you are one day... but i fully forgive you and will not hold a grudge against you for your false accusations
That is shameful.

No one should be arguing theology on a forum who doesn't place themselves under the authority of a local church, because frankly they are behavioral heretics and hypocrites.

I will gladly continue on this stance even in the face of those who say they love Jesus and hate his bride, no matter how unpopular this biblical stance becomes among professing believers.
i never once said or behaved as if i hated anyone here... if i have and realised it i said sorry... again false accusations

welp
i have a feeling you will continue making false claims

but i wont hold it against you
^_^

 

[PHart]

For those opposed to the biblical doctrine of eternal security/osas/perseverance of the saints:

1) If you died now, are you saved, where would you spend eternity?

2) If you died in 3 weeks, or longer, where would you spend eternity?

Please answer the questions. If your answer changes between the two questions, well, we all know it can only mean you are aiding in your eternal salvation by your efforts.

Obviously, a different answer between the two would mean you quit believing.

And can you provide a scripture that says continuing in the exact same believing you started out with in order to be saved is a work of the damnable works gospel? I see where Paul contrasted believing with the works of the law for justification, not equated them. How did believing get over on the works side of the 'faith vs. works of the law' argument for justification so that now in the church if you are continuing to believe in order to be saved on the last day that is the equivalent of trying to earn you own salvation?

 

[Stephen63]

Those who are born again of the Spirit of God walk after the Spirit. Being born again is an act of God, whereby eternal life is promised and imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12, 13 indicates that being "born again" also carries the idea of "becoming children of God" through faith in Jesus Christ. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8–9

Nothing but talk.

Walking after the Spirit is listening for His leading & obeying that leading.

So many talk the talk, & so few walk the walk.

[video=youtube;0znonswTnYQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0znonswTnYQ[/video]

 

[tourist]

Nor will you receive any from me because it is undue. You can get your validation from the several who are disobedient to Christ.



Yes, fully aware, but contained in it was your referencing others who have rightly called you out for your repudiation of church. That includes me, so it wasn't only Magenta you were addressing. It was others as well.

You sought validation of others who share your attitude about church which is why you put it out there. I'm here to invalidate that.

Anyhow, congrats! You got pats on the back for your stance against Christ and his church of which you were seeking affirmation.



OK, so what you said was true. What I said was also. You weren't just addressing Magenta, you took a swing at those who have called you out, seeking to garner approval for your stance, and disagreements toward those whose stance is biblical.

Basically it was all carnal and divisive, not to mention your unbiblical walk.



CC isn't a church, nor are you in church or attending church by typing on a keyboard in a forum.

You will stand before Christ and give an account of this, though, you think you're justified and that you will not.

I take it from the many likes you got here for your stance against Christ's bride, rebellion to His decree of assembly that many here as well do not attend church either and/or heartily support those who publicly rebel against the assembly.

That is shameful.

No one should be arguing theology on a forum who doesn't place themselves under the authority of a local church, because frankly they are behavioral heretics and hypocrites.

I will gladly continue on this stance even in the face of those who say they love Jesus and hate his bride, no matter how unpopular this biblical stance becomes among professing believers.

Why would anyone want to be under the authority of a local church? Are you talking about the Pope? I personally would rather be under the authority of God but that's just me. To each his own I guess.

In the bible it says that where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name Jesus would be in the midst of them. For some, this is very much a church and rightly so. It's also a ministry for some also.

I don't believe that you're the local authority of this church on CC either.

 

[Stephen63]

So you refuse to answer the question, and blame me for it.

At least now we are clear, as you continue to accuse me.

Aaannd there you have it..... playing the victim on cue.

 

[PHart]

Then gen your not save, your pseudo saved
you do not have eternal life, you havconditional life
your not born again, your somewhere inbetweem death and true life
and your promise is not a promise based on Gods faithfulness but on yours, i.e., you have to save yourself.

Is there a passage of scripture that says continuing uninterrupted in the believing you started out with in order to be saved on the Last Day is the equivalent of trying to earn your own salvation?

 

[Stephen63]

Originally Posted by loveme1
Your question is only about giving yourself opportunity... from past encounter.. so I would be foolish to play along...

Still you falsely accuse. I actually thought you could have been referring to the Jews, but your refusal to answer has shown that not to be the case.

More of playing the victim.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

We need to stop back-biting others as we are only destroying ourselves.

Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.


The word "consumed" means to destroy.


Galatians 5:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

[SUP]26 [/SUP] Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

Epic attack this morning!
I was heading through moms bedroom to get the bags of dog poo on the deck before the trash man came. Her Doberman always jumps up and starts shrieking if I just come straight through, so I stand out in the hall and make some noise and say, Abby, I'm coming back, no bark, You want a cookie? Cookie Abby? And that wakes her up and she sits there waiting for her cookie.

So mom woke up too and began to whine that they were settled and why am I disturbing them?

I said, because the trash man is coming and you didn't get your dogs poop out and you will give me hell for not getting it out if I leave it. So I HAVE to come through here on trash days or I'll never hear the end of it!

After that, I began fuming and murdering and get this - while I was making my coffee and WHILE I had my bible in my hand!

I was murdering her that I can never please her or do anything right, I'm damned if I try to do as she wishes and I'm damned if I don't.

I couldn't stop it and my first thought was shame that I was not loving her and was sinking into such ugliness of heart. And I didn't know what to do because I was just so helpless to stop it.

So I just closed my eyes and said: Help me!

And it was like a voice whispered: not when you're acting like this He won't.

And I said, yes, yes, I'm bad, but He is good and He's IN ME, and He saves me and loves me and sheds that love abroad in my heart.

And then, it all disappeared so quickly that it cannot have been from me. The attack I mean - it wasn't from me. The response of my flesh was from me, but the attack was from the outside. And that little rot tried the same thing he always does - whispering to me that I need to be good before I run to Him for help or else He won't come to my aid.

Angry, but rejoicing too, that he didn't get away with his accusing and condemning of me and get me to try harder to be good rather than immediately calling for help.

You might have no idea how that ties into your post but to me, it does.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is there a passage of scripture that says continuing uninterrupted in the believing you started out with in order to be saved on the Last Day is the equivalent of trying to earn your own salvation?

can you show me where I was wrong in what I Said about pseudo salvation, conditional life, and saving yourself?

If you have to do something to maintain something, something which comes from the flesh, in order to recieve a wage or reward, it is a work, all you need is to understand what a work is.

 

[Grace777x70]

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit that is in us. It is not something "we do" to create.

It is the reality of what already is inside of us because we are in Christ and He is in us and Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be in us forever. John 14:16.

We are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. In order for us to not have "faith" - Christ Himself would have to die because we are one spirit with Him. 1 Cor. 6:17

Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

True faith is of the heart and not in the head.

Here is the very same Greek word for "faith"being used when we got born-again after hearing the message of Christ.

Ephesians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Obedience in the New Covenant of the gospel of the grace of God is relying on Jesus for righteousness and goodness and life and blessing and salvation in all it's different aspects.

Disobedience to the faith in the New Covenant is relying on our own righteousness, our own doing of good.

Do the above and in this time on earth we will not experience the life that is in us from manifesting in our lives and we will not experience our inheritance that is ours in Christ.

( This does not mean that our loving Father sends His beloved children to hell even though His Son - our Lord obtained our eternal redemption by His blood. )

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.