Not By Works

[1ofthem]

Just another reputation destroyer trying to muzzle out what he didn't like posted.

Like any good little drama queen...He's just here for the drama.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Just another reputation destroyer trying to muzzle out what he didn't like posted.

well call me an ox then, but God says do not muzzle the ox who treads the grain

I don't look like an ox thankfully... and pretty sure no one else he rages at does either

he let me have it...just his flesh having a hissy fit

no name is often so straight on that he also offends people

you go no name

 

[heartofdavid]

To keep the malice and slander down to a minimum - I have never said that a works-based salvationists is as bad as being a blatent homosexual.

That is a complete lie and it is a great example of why not to interact with those that continue to speak deceitfully to "twist" what is said to make it "appear" to be something else. Rom. 16:17

I always have said that malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ is no different than living the homosexual lifestyle as they are all in the same lists and are works of the flesh.

I believe you are a Real man of God

 

[Stephen63]

Epic attack this morning!
I was heading through moms bedroom to get the bags of dog poo on the deck before the trash man came. Her Doberman always jumps up and starts shrieking if I just come straight through, so I stand out in the hall and make some noise and say, Abby, I'm coming back, no bark, You want a cookie? Cookie Abby? And that wakes her up and she sits there waiting for her cookie.

So mom woke up too and began to whine that they were settled and why am I disturbing them?

I said, because the trash man is coming and you didn't get your dogs poop out and you will give me hell for not getting it out if I leave it. So I HAVE to come through here on trash days or I'll never hear the end of it!

After that, I began fuming and murdering and get this - while I was making my coffee and WHILE I had my bible in my hand!

I was murdering her that I can never please her or do anything right, I'm damned if I try to do as she wishes and I'm damned if I don't.

I couldn't stop it and my first thought was shame that I was not loving her and was sinking into such ugliness of heart. And I didn't know what to do because I was just so helpless to stop it.

So I just closed my eyes and said: Help me!

And it was like a voice whispered: not when you're acting like this He won't.

And I said, yes, yes, I'm bad, but He is good and He's IN ME, and He saves me and loves me and sheds that love abroad in my heart.

And then, it all disappeared so quickly that it cannot have been from me. The attack I mean - it wasn't from me. The response of my flesh was from me, but the attack was from the outside. And that little rot tried the same thing he always does - whispering to me that I need to be good before I run to Him for help or else He won't come to my aid.

Angry, but rejoicing too, that he didn't get away with his accusing and condemning of me and get me to try harder to be good rather than immediately calling for help.

You might have no idea how that ties into your post but to me, it does.

Sounds like emotional slavery.

It's difficult taking care of a narcissist. Constantly a catch-22.

I understand..... I don't visit nor speak to my mom anymore.

You might be surprised to discover she's verbally backstabbing you while you're gone as well.

I dealt with the guilt trip for years..... but now I'm free.

 

[gb9]

This is how a legalist talks. The objective is to find failure and bring in a projection of the
future that has not happened yet and predict it.

Thereby you literally predict slavery though your faith claim victory and freedom, you
personally do not walk in it.

gb9 repeating exactly the points I am making does not make you right, but shows your
lack of faith and belief.

Your point is people can fail to live the way Jesus teaches. Ofcourse, but the apostles
walked the way and lived to the end of their lives in this way.

What is so hard that you cannot live this way? If you have sin and failure, repent, work on
it and spend time with Christ and in fellowship and you too will find victory.

This has never been about command keeping ( a legalists type language ) but in letting love
grow and reign in your heart.

the last three paragraphs- I agree with you. now, let's stay there, and not go into sinless perfectionism fairy tail land.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Sounds like emotional slavery.

It's difficult taking care of a narcissist. Constantly a catch-22.

I understand..... I don't visit nor speak to my mom anymore.

You might be surprised to discover she's verbally backstabbing you while you're gone as well.

I dealt with the guilt trip for years..... but now I'm free.

hard because we love our mothers

I thank God for my husband. he is not easily manipulated and we are straight forward with each other

sometimes I could clobber him and vice versa I'm sure, but he's a patient man and I have learned from him

and surprisingly, I've rubbed off abit on him too

I too have a mother like that

 

[NoNameMcgee]

well call me an ox then, but God says do not muzzle the ox who treads the grain

I don't look like an ox thankfully... and pretty sure no one else he rages at does either

he let me have it...just his flesh having a hissy fit

no name is often so straight on that he also offends people

you go no name

ohhh id rather not offend anyone though [but it does happen]
(._.')

but thank you

 

[Zmouth]

With regards to salvation in the OT I have often asked myself how were people saved and if so how so.

The same way they are saved today, by the LORD.

 

[gb9]

Sounds like emotional slavery.

It's difficult taking care of a narcissist. Constantly a catch-22.

I understand..... I don't visit nor speak to my mom anymore.

You might be surprised to discover she's verbally backstabbing you while you're gone as well.

I dealt with the guilt trip for years..... but now I'm free.

my mom is a super-sweet lady, but has o.c.d. , which makes simple things and tasks frustrating by the attention to non-important details, and sometimes I speak sharply to her. I pray and ask the Lord to forgive my non- loving and caring response, and to have the Sprit give me the extra patience I need.

we all love ( hopefully) love our moms, but we are all also human.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

ohhh id rather not offend anyone though [but it does happen]
(._.')

but thank you

it's not you offending

which is why we do not take the insults personally

 

[Stephen63]

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit that is in us. It is not something "we do" to create.

No one on CC has ever said that. I don't know why you're saying that.

Obedience in the New Covenant of the gospel of the grace of God is relying on Jesus for righteousness and goodness and life and blessing and salvation in all it's different aspects.

Not true. That's faith when you rely on God.

Disobedience to the faith in the New Covenant is relying on our own righteousness, our own doing of good.

Again, not true. Disobedience is refusing to do what the NT commands as well as doing things your own way.
Rebellion is disobedience. Teaching false doctrine is disobedience.

Giving new meanings to important things like faith, grace, repentance, & so on is disobedience & outright rebellion.

 

[Crustyone]

We are obviously expected to obey at least four laws even after salvation. Acts 15:19 “Therefore I conclude[SUP] 57 [/SUP] that we should not cause extra difficulty[SUP] 58 [/SUP] for those among the Gentiles[SUP] 59 [/SUP] who are turning to God,15:20but that we should write them a letter[SUP] 60 [/SUP]telling them to abstain[SUP] 61 [/SUP] from things defiled[SUP] 62 [/SUP] by idols and from sexual immorality and from what has been strangled[SUP] 63 [/SUP] and from blood.

Of course we may do this on occasion, but we must strive not to do it continuously.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No one on CC has ever said that. I don't know why you're saying that.
Not true. That's faith when you rely on God.

Again, not true. Disobedience is refusing to do what the NT commands as well as doing things your own way.
Rebellion is disobedience. Teaching false doctrine is disobedience.

Giving new meanings to important things like faith, grace, repentance, & so on is disobedience & outright rebellion.

I truly cannot wrap my head around this stuff

it is not biblical and sounds biblical because of the plethora of scripture

why are people confusing faith/works/obedience? I understood this before I was 10

I can only come to the conclusion that the foundation has been built off the true blueprint

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Philippians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9[/SUP]and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

The law is what people did or didn't do for their own righteousness.

All works-based righteousness is based on this truth and it is NOT the gospel of the grace of God in Christ. It is a religion.

Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living.

Notice here that even the "good moral living" - law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.

Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,


All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;

 

[Crustyone]

The last sentence of my previous post should have used the word might instead of may. May indicates permission to do it and is not true.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Philippians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

The law is what people did or didn't do for their own righteousness.

All works-based righteousness is based on this truth and it is NOT the gospel of the grace of God in Christ. It is a religion.

Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living.

Notice here that even the "good moral living" - law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.

Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,


All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;

oh my lands Grace

you are hardly in the position to state who does and who does not have a zeal for God

perhaps YOU have that zeal and your aim is off

just me being straightforward. I will never aim arrows from behind the bushes

my post to Stephen concerning what u said is a general comment as you have quite a few admirers on here as you well know

you have cultivated them and they are your special little garden

just take it as face value

I may be a wild rose bush, not cultivated, but did you know wild roses have smaller thorns?

 

[Stephen63]

My point was the life of Charles Templeton is not how we determine truth.

For me it is a fruitless discussion to banter about,
well maybe he was not truly saved,
well maybe he had a lapse in faith but was a true believer,
well maybe he was saved but lost his salvation because he no longer believed,
well maybe he regained his faith at the end.

To me focusing on someones life as evidence of truth is a pitfall that has caused endless turmoil in the body of Christ.

I focus on Christ Jesus and his Word.

When we look at the life of certain individuals that were saved, brought forth fruit of faith, & after some years rebel & backslide, this is witness of the fact that backsliding exists & apostasy can happen to a christian.

No more, no less.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

hard because we love our mothers

I thank God for my husband. he is not easily manipulated and we are straight forward with each other

sometimes I could clobber him and vice versa I'm sure, but he's a patient man and I have learned from him

and surprisingly, I've rubbed off abit on him too

I too have a mother like that

The whole point to me is not to ignore her or never speak to her again because of her demands for some sort of perfection I can never attain to in her eyes. The whole point to me is to love her and to do away with the pride that demands to be treated better.

I cannot have such blessings come to me through her abuses and not love her! It is like the one man said - Josephs brothers did more good for him through their hatred and contempt than they ever would have if they had treated him well.

When I receive such a blessing as I did this morning, it's like He blessed me through her. And I find myself thanking Him for her because He used her to grow my own faith! It's quite bizarre that He will bring us to thank Him for someone who is demanding that we be perfect and always telling us we cannot do anything right! How strange...!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

oh my lands Grace

you are hardly in the position to state who does and who does not have a zeal for God

perhaps YOU have that zeal and your aim is off

just me being straightforward. I will never aim arrows from behind the bushes

my post to Stephen concerning what u said is a general comment as you have quite a few admirers on here as you well know

you have cultivated them and they are your special little garden

just take it as face value

I may be a wild rose bush, not cultivated, but did you know wild roses have smaller thorns?

Some of us admire him because he has helped to set us free the rest of the way from the stronghold/bondage of trying to finish in the flesh what was begun in the Spirit.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

The whole point to me is not to ignore her or never speak to her again because of her demands for some sort of perfection I can never attain to in her eyes. The whole point to me is to love her and to do away with the pride that demands to be treated better.

I cannot have such blessings come to me through her abuses and not love her! It is like the one man said - Josephs brothers did more good for him through their hatred and contempt than they ever would have if they had treated him well.

When I receive such a blessing as I did this morning, it's like He blessed me through her. And I find myself thanking Him for her because He used her to grow my own faith! It's quite bizarre that He will bring us to thank Him for someone who is demanding that we be perfect and always telling us we cannot do anything right! How strange...!

i will remember to rep you for this as soon as it lets me pass another one