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Stunnedbygrace said:
I am addressing your first sentence here.
Has your sin been excused or forgiven?
Was mercy and forgiveness withheld from you?
I have called YOU out in the past for your accusative words and your harshness. You did not listen to me. Did I ever withhold forgiveness and mercy toward you even though you still aren't ready to hear that this is not the way?
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Did you call me out? Yes, Why do you not call the others out?

Did Jesus speak in harsh tones? Did the prophets? did the apostles?


Must they stop sinning before you forgive them and extend to them the forgiveness and mercy you were shown yourself?
If you were told to not revile back when reviled, and you won't do so, why are you expecting your way to work?
And if you were forgiven while still a sinner and you are forgiven still when you sin, why do you withhold what was not withheld from you?

Why would you demand someone stop sinning before you love and forgive them their accusations when this is not the way you were shown mercy?

We know by the parable what happens to a man whose debt was forgiven and who then goes out and refuses to forgive another mans debt.
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If you allow a person to continue in sin with out confronting them of their sin, They will continue to sin, in fact, they will be empowered by sin.

I could be wrong, but I have yet to hear you call out Peter or Fran or Stephen for all the sins they commit on a daily basis.. Yet you love to attack me and tell me about my sin.

They have my forgiveness, forgiveness does not have to be earned, It is given in grace, It does not mean I ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE in a CHRISTIAN FORUM without calling them out for it.

Did Jesus hesitate to call out the liars and the slanderers?
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
Did Jesus?
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let see

He called them a brood of vipers. White washed tombs, He turned over their money tables, he used parables to expose their sinfulness,

No He di nto just let them call him out openly or in private, He did something.

yeah he et them kill him, but not without exposing the lies they told.
 
blue_ladybug said:
This seems to be people's default answer. "Wouldn't Jesus forgive"? WE ARE NOT JESUS..
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Its not about forgiveness, I am sure we all forgive them,

It is what do you do to someone who comes in the name of Christ in a public roo, and continues to sin and slander people

do you ignore it, and let it go like nothing is wrong, or do you confront the person as God tells us to do people in our own churches who sin.

WOuld you allow people in your church to continue to slander others, or do something about it.
 
blue_ladybug said:
Let me ask you this, Stunned. Would YOU put up with someone continuously slandering you, lying about you and what you believe, and call you terrible, awful names? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Why should a slanderous person be forgiven until AFTER they stop slandering??
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I wouldn't. But I wouldn't admit it here. :rolleyes:

Stunnedbygrace said:
Did Jesus?
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Eh, it's YOU they wanna know about. :)
 
Ever heard the saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"? That's gonna happen someday..

I'd call them out, and have many times, and been crapped on many times for it..
 
What do you choose?

Paul said works or grace.....it cannot be both....

The bible teaches grace......men and religion choose works.....

In the GRACE you are, having been saved out of FAITH and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD, NOT of WORKS lest any man should BOAST.....
 
blue_ladybug said:
Ever heard the saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"? That's gonna happen someday..

I'd call them out, and have many times, and been crapped on many times for it..
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thats why they continue to do what they do, No accountability, and mass enabling.
 
AbigailZeke said:
Hi E-G!!! I'm good! I got promoted at work and I'm so happy and I found myself here in BDF haha.

I thought I'd drop by and see what's up. How have you been?! I trust you're walking in all His favour and blessings! :)
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Hey thats great! I am so glad you got that promotion, and even happier that you decided to come in here and celebrate it with us!!

As you can see, Not much has changed sadly.. Your presence is welcome though..
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Hey thats great! I am so glad you got that promotion, and even happier that you decided to come in here and celebrate it with us!!

As you can see, Not much has changed sadly.. Your presence is welcome though..
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Thank you! It's always great seeing you here, knowing my grace brother in Christ is still sharing His light is encouraging. :) time for me to get to bed though, its midnight here now

I'll be seeing you again soon E-G! Jesus bless you the blessings of a righteous man! :D
 
AbigailZeke said:
Thank you! It's always great seeing you here, knowing my grace brother in Christ is still sharing His light is encouraging. :) time for me to get to bed though, its midnight here now

I'll be seeing you again soon E-G! Jesus bless you the blessings of a righteous man! :D
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Thank you for the words of encouragement, Get some sleep Sis, Talk soon :D
 
blue_ladybug said:
Let me ask you this, Stunned. Would YOU put up with someone continuously slandering you, lying about you and what you believe, and call you terrible, awful names? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Why should a slanderous person be forgiven until AFTER they stop slandering??
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Did Jesus forgive the soldiers or defend himself before or after they mocked him, spit on him, beat him, tore his clothes off, jammed a crown of thorns on his head, ripped his beard out, pounded nails into him, shoved a spear in his side, gave him vinegar to drink?

GROW UP!
 
eternally-gratefull said:

Did you call me out? Yes, Why do you not call the others out?

Did Jesus speak in harsh tones? Did the prophets? did the apostles?




If you allow a person to continue in sin with out confronting them of their sin, They will continue to sin, in fact, they will be empowered by sin.

I could be wrong, but I have yet to hear you call out Peter or Fran or Stephen for all the sins they commit on a daily basis.. Yet you love to attack me and tell me about my sin.

They have my forgiveness, forgiveness does not have to be earned, It is given in grace, It does not mean I ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE in a CHRISTIAN FORUM without calling them out for it.

Did Jesus hesitate to call out the liars and the slanderers?
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When did GOD make you, me or any one of us the HOLY SPIRIT!?!?!?
 
eternally-gratefull said:

let see

He called them a brood of vipers. White washed tombs, He turned over their money tables, he used parables to expose their sinfulness,

No He di nto just let them call him out openly or in private, He did something.

yeah he et them kill him, but not without exposing the lies they told.
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taking a breath is in order here...
 
Meggido said:
When did GOD make you, me or any one of us the HOLY SPIRIT!?!?!?
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when did god tell us to ignore sin and enable the person doing the sin?

your church has no discipline procedures, you just let people sin all they want? talk about a mess
 
My oh MY!!!!! start squeezing the fruit and we see what is really inside.......Pressure applied to things does some really interesting things.....
 
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