Not By Works

[ForthAngel]

Ok ive prayed and this came to me ... To be saved.. is to be rescued from the clutches of darkness..(no mistaken that)..

However there are many more who are like you or i and not saved so therefor why should they be underserving Of God loves if you go back to being a villian again.. ?..

Because God willed it or would that be the mentality of someone who asumes hes saved no matter what..

Everyone is undeserving of God's love. This is what workers for salvation can't wrap their mind around. Their pride is a barrier in this regard as they feel like they deserve something from God. He owes us nothing.

This is why GRACE is such an amazing thing. You can't comprehend the depths of God's grace until you realize that nothing you can do would ever merit it.

 

[JIMBO43]

She ain't my Queen (by that I mean Royalty but of course my wife is my queen)

Serioulsy though I do have a lot of respect for the Royal Queen (and of course my wife the queen)

lol ok mate.. i can live with that. an english mans home is his castle.

 

[JIMBO43]

Everyone is undeserving of God's love. This is what workers for salvation can't wrap their mind around. Their pride is a barrier in this regard as they feel like they deserve something from God. He owes us nothing.

This is why GRACE is such an amazing thing. You can't comprehend the depths of God's grace until you realize that nothing you can do would ever merit it.

na mate i know if my merits dont come its because i should of done it anyway..

 

[BillG]

How did Abraham prove his faith in God?
He offered up Isaac as a sacrifice.

And the proof is God said this

Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.
Gen 22:12

Jesus's faith was tested at the beginning of His ministry.
Nothing in faith is just known and certain, it will be tested.

It is why confession and testimony matter so much, as well as doing good
works because they demonstrate the reality within.

Nope that's not true.

Genesis 12:1-4
Chapter 12
Promises to Abram
Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father's house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.

He proved his faith by believing in him when God called him.

So when Abraham went to offer Isaac as a sacrifice it wasn't prove his faith but it was because of his faith.

What faith was this?

Leave your country, family and I will make your name great.

Abraham knew that when God asked him to sacrifice Issac that God would provide an outlet.

That outlet being Jesus.

Abrahm proved his faith way before Issac

 

[Reg53]

Yes they do....every seat has it's own T.V. and head phones.....a list of like 300 movies, new, old, T.V. programs, music, video games, news etc.....Qantas even has a camera in the tail and you can look down on the plane as it flies or lands etc......very cool.

THE WIFI is new....so...we will see HAHAH...you can send text and receive text messages as well....was so much $ per message....now full WIFI on some planes

Right, I know which airline I will use the next time I go abroad haha

All that sound BRILLIANT and make the planes I've been on sound prehistoric lol xD

Be worth going on the holiday just to use the plane lol xD

 

[JIMBO43]

The time stamp shows I beat you by a minute, so, no, not the exact same time...

well i didnt see your post till i posted mine anyways what ever the time scale may be if i post one second past one minute past it would still show 2 mintues away which is a lie..just sayin..

 

[BillG]

Ok ive prayed and this came to me ... To be saved.. is to be rescued from the clutches of darkness..(no mistaken that)..

However there are many more who are like you or i and not saved so therefor why should they be underserving Of God loves if you go back to being a villian again.. ?..

Because God willed it or would that be the mentality of someone who asumes hes saved no matter what..

Just clarify if you can.

However there are many more who are like you or i and not saved so therefor why should they be underserving Of God loves if you go back to being a villian again.. ?..

If they are not saved they are still deserving of Gods love that's why Jesus died for them.
But if they reject that Gods love is still the same for them.

 

[JIMBO43]

The bagpipes also sound like a cat being murdered to me lol ,,,ouch

 

[dcontroversal]

are you saying scripture is a liar.. ?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence but even more in my absence, continue working out your salvation with awe and reverence,


Continue means continue in my book and of course the dictionary of salvation too

Couple points of observation about the following verse.

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling


a. Book, chapter and verse were added by men and if one reads the whole letter up to this point it becomes all to clear that this is written unto SAVED, IMMERSED disciples of JESUS who are partakers of the GOSPEL, are called SAINTS in the present tense and the context indicates the meaning of the statement.

b. The word continually is not found in all verses and can be cherry picked to support a working for doctrine, when taken out of context and not applied unto the rest of the letter.

c. The verse states to work out YOUR salvation. YOUR is indicative of something already possessed. NOT something that has not yet been acquired. The King James translates the word YOUR OWN... comes from 1438 in the Greek
ἑαυτοῦ Your own is POSSESSIVE and indicates something already possessed.

d. IT DOES NOT SAY-->WORK FOR SALVATION

e. The whole point is to fit it out......to grow, mature, fit out with the fruits of the spirit etc.....NOT WORK FOR IT TO GET OR OBTAIN.

 

[preacher4truth]

It is why confession and testimony matter so much, as well as doing good
works because they demonstrate the reality within.

How many good works do you figure you should get to doing to cover the sin of slandering folks on here, calling them names, telling them they're lost? Now add in the works you need to get to doing for your sinful pride exalting yourself against others, like Luke 18:11.

 

[JIMBO43]

Just clarify if you can.



If they are not saved they are still deserving of Gods love that's why Jesus died for them.
But if they reject that Gods love is still the same for them.

so does that mean i can start being a pot head again?..or maybe a sted head..

 

[dcontroversal]

How many good works do you figure you should get to doing to cover the sin of slandering folks on here, calling them names, telling them they're lost? Now add in the works you need to get to doing for your sinful pride exalting yourself against others, like Luke 18:11.

No matter...1, 50 or 50,000,000 will not save, keep saved, facilitate salvation and or earn forgiveness.........

 

[preacher4truth]

No matter...1, 50 or 50,000,000 will not save, keep saved, facilitate salvation and or earn forgiveness.........

Yep, and you know that's my point too. Thanks bro!

 

[BillG]

Yup the father can jump in when ya week and be your inner strenght.... but how about when ya not week and you decide you dont need God ?.... what then...

He still jumps in.

But me thinks a genuine believer would never come to that point anyway.

a genuine believer will always know they need God because even when they wander off the path will seek God and ask "Help me, I need you"

 

[JIMBO43]

How many good works do you figure you should get to doing to cover the sin of slandering folks on here, calling them names, telling them they're lost? Now add in the works you need to get to doing for your sinful pride exalting yourself against others, like Luke 18:11.

I would say as many good works as possible as god doesnt like a lazy worker..

 

[JIMBO43]

He still jumps in.

Try telling that to the drunk driver who killed someone whilst driving..

 

[BillG]

so does that mean i can start being a pot head again?..or maybe a sted head..

Nope, it means you don't want to be a pot head and want to be like Jesus.

Then asking God "deliver me from being a pot head and what ever is causing this in me please heal me"

 

[preacher4truth]

I would say as many good works as possible as god doesnt like a lazy worker..

Yep, so you as well believe you can cover your sin via good works. You do not understand the Gospel my friend, not even remotely.

 

[JIMBO43]

Yep, so you as well believe you can cover your sin via good works. You do not understand the Gospel my friend, not even remotely.

No two wrongs do not make a right.... where as two rights is getting better..i never said working to pay for a sin ... all thos a sin is also described as a debt.... and we do hear Gods mentality on debt.

He tells us to work to pay it off..

 

[BillG]

Try telling that to the drunk driver who killed some whilst driving..

Extreme but he still jumps in.

What about the mother who says to thier child. '"Your a waste of space. I should have aborted you (my reality, she was encouraged to but didn't (Muslim roots she was told to abort me and as a result I'm the black sheep)

Did God jump in?