Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

we have another sinless here.. Even though he will deny it.. Do people actually study what they believe? if they did, they would see how bad it is.. contradictory it is..

 

[dcontroversal]

" do we have to walk in purity and righteously to follow Jesus" yes.

reality re-phrase- should our goal every day be to walk in purity and righteousness? yes

by Biblical standards, do we fall short of that goal? yes

one more time, we need to use the Biblical definition of sin to determine how we are walking, just declaring ourselves pure and righteous does not count.

Amen to that.......God is clear and many misunderstand the words "abounds" and "abound"

Where sin abounds.....GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND

 

[dcontroversal]

You have to realize who you are talking to.

He made a thread stating christ did not do enough to save us,. Thats all you need to know.

Absolutely.........the absurdity of saying that..........!

 

[FreeNChrist]

i don't get it, sorry, you say something that i do not understand, and then i ask you about something that you said, and then you say it is my premise. How so? If i am merely asking for you to explain something that you said? How is that my premise? Seriously i don't understand what you are saying here. Either you know what you said and can explain it, or you don't know what you said, and can't explain it and respond as you did here.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

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[PeterJens]

he can't name names, because there are non, and he knows it. so he just continues his strawman

EG - Thank you for commenting here, it is most helpful.

You are saying you continue in sin, and not walking in a righteous way.
How often would you say you sin and what is your greatest failing?

Ofcourse I am not here to put you on the spot, except you say I am a sinless
perfectionist, so I assume you are a sinner commiting sin.

Now suggesting there are none who say they continually sin, is patently absurd.
The exception is people who talk about walking in purity and holiness.

I do wonder how your brain works, it must just jump to slander and defame mode
and off it goes, not thinking what you are doing and demonstrating your own failure
in the process.

 

[FreeNChrist]

EG - Thank you for commenting here, it is most helpful.

You are saying you continue in sin, and not walking in a righteous way.
How often would you say you sin and what is your greatest failing?

Ofcourse I am not here to put you on the spot, except you say I am a sinless
perfectionist, so I assume you are a sinner commiting sin.

Now suggesting there are none who say they continually sin, is patently absurd.
The exception is people who talk about walking in purity and holiness.

I do wonder how your brain works, it must just jump to slander and defame mode
and off it goes, not thinking what you are doing and demonstrating your own failure
in the process.

Does everyone see what Peter did there?

 

[Demi777]

wow Peter are you saying your sinless?

 

[PeterJens]

we have another sinless here.. Even though he will deny it.. Do people actually study what they believe? if they did, they would see how bad it is.. contradictory it is..

There is a simple problem here. You claim to follow the spotless lamb to walk as He walks.
He shed His blood so that we might be clean, yet you seem to suggest the cleansing has
not worked for you.

If Paul is pure, holy and blameless in his testimony and behaviour, and we are to be imitators
of him, it seems you are falling far short of simple discipleship expectations.

Do you read the same bible as me? Or are you so woeful in having never dealt with your heart
even within an hour after 30+ years of following the Lord, you loose it?

I would suggest there is something wrong here, even in sanctification terms, Paul called the
corinthians Gods Holy people, despite all their problems, they got themselves sorted out.

 

[PeterJens]

wow Peter are you saying your sinless?

Interesting question, because it is an error. No one can say they are without sin,
because only God knows, but we can say we walk in purity, holiness and blamelessly.

This does not mean we will not stumble in the future, but does imply we are washed
and cleansed by the blood of the lamb, and walk in communion with Christ, our bodies
being His Holy temple.

What people forget to point out, when you are washed by God, you are clean, or else
what is the point of being washed. You can become defiled by sin, through sinful acts,
but then you repent and confess and get yourself right with God, to restore your fellowship.

Sin has never been the real problem in our walk, it is the purity of our hearts and knowing
which things and in which way we should do them. But this is where the hyper-legalists use
sin to talk about motivation and style, rather than love and truth.

 

[garee]

This is almost a pure reformed position, with a tweek.
Or maybe you are unaware of what a reformed position actually is.

Whose reformed position?

I wonder at such large accusations you are making.
The real crux is simple. Do we have to walk in purity and righteously to follow Jesus?
Yes. The question is how

Yes a result of being saved.(by faith, not of ourselves) If we are not born of God’s righteousness according to His labor of love ,as a work of His faith, there would be no way to follow Him who has no form.

How do we follow Him? We walk by faith not after some work of the flesh that we have experienced .The faith is not of ourselves least any man boast in vain. For instance like that man in Mathew 7 (worker of iniquity) trying to establish a righteousness of his own self. Blaspheming the Holy name by which we are called.

The key to help understand is found in the gospel (Galatians 3:1-5) as to the hearing of Christ’s faith, as he from heaven gives us ears to hear what the Spirit is teaching. Beginning with that work He works in us as to the end of the matter. And not the first time we sin we need to crucify him over and over like those in Hebrews 6.

God requests us to answer ...Received ye the Spirit by the “works of the law”, or by the “hearing of faith”?
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the “works of the law”, or by the” hearing of faith”? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was “accounted to” him for righteousness. (This is a imputed righteousness. )

We therefore can put faith in Christ (towards God) because he first gives His faith from Him. Its faith in towards Him, that comes from us hearing him, of Christ.

Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Gal 3:1-5

Offering our faith towards Him is considered dead faith. He must do the first works (hearing Him) before we can love Him.

It’s what was being said I believe in Revelation2. Some of the members, were having their faith in respect to men,( the deeds/works of the Nicolaitanes).

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

It seems obvious if we are commanded to do the first works of Christ working in us (believing God) ,rather than man he would continue to work in us to the end .

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God”, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Interesting question, because it is an error. No one can say they are without sin,
because only God knows, but we can say we walk in purity, holiness and blamelessly.

This does not mean we will not stumble in the future, but does imply we are washed
and cleansed by the blood of the lamb, and walk in communion with Christ, our bodies
being His Holy temple.

What people forget to point out, when you are washed by God, you are clean, or else
what is the point of being washed. You can become defiled by sin, through sinful acts,
but then you repent and confess and get yourself right with God, to restore your fellowship.

Sin has never been the real problem in our walk, it is the purity of our hearts and knowing
which things and in which way we should do them. But this is where the hyper-legalists use
sin to talk about motivation and style, rather than love and truth.

Hypocritical much???

 

[Demi777]

hmm that last part.. I disagree
I will give you my view
I believe sin is a stumbling block indeed but its a failure as well. If we like it or not. No matter what we are never a 100% blameless as we are not yet completely free.as long as we walk this earth we are not blameless and sinless. we are sanctified. We are only sinless and blameless in heaven as our sinful nature gets us all the time.
Which is where I agree with your 2nd part. repenting and confessing to God to get right with him. But not just to get right with him for Gods sake, but to take ground away from the enemy. We still tho have to take consequences for sins we commit, which we all do.

Interesting question, because it is an error. No one can say they are without sin,
because only God knows, but we can say we walk in purity, holiness and blamelessly.

This does not mean we will not stumble in the future, but does imply we are washed
and cleansed by the blood of the lamb, and walk in communion with Christ, our bodies
being His Holy temple.

What people forget to point out, when you are washed by God, you are clean, or else
what is the point of being washed. You can become defiled by sin, through sinful acts,
but then you repent and confess and get yourself right with God, to restore your fellowship.

Sin has never been the real problem in our walk, it is the purity of our hearts and knowing
which things and in which way we should do them. But this is where the hyper-legalists use
sin to talk about motivation and style, rather than love and truth.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The title of this thread is ridiculous. Some of the OP's views are just as ludicrous.. He must not realize that we are NOT saved through faith alone, but BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH. Add on top of that banana split, the fact he keeps implying that HE is sinless, that's the cherry on the split, and here's the whipped cream: he proclaims all this while calling others names and giving insults.

What we have here, is a ridiculously constructed banana split by the OP (viewpoint, for those too dim to get the analogy)...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wow Peter are you saying your sinless?

it is like another person would do (who is no longer here)

they make a statement, say like, If we are in Christ we will not sin, which means if you are in christ, you would be sinless. and everyone who sins is not in Christ.

Then deny they are sinless..

 

[blue_ladybug]

I am a dirty sinner, and I admit that. I'd like to see some others here admit that also. Or maybe their pride is too big or that log in their eyes has made them blind.. :/

 

[tourist]

I am a dirty sinner, and I admit that. I'd like to see some others here admit that also. Or maybe their pride is too big or that log in their eyes has made them blind.. :/

I too have sinned many times in my life. Still do so from time to time. I thank God that Jesus died for my sins and for yours as well.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The closer I get to God. the more filthy I realize I really am.. and the more reliant I become on God.

 

[dcontroversal]

it is like another person would do (who is no longer here)

they make a statement, say like, If we are in Christ we will not sin, which means if you are in christ, you would be sinless. and everyone who sins is not in Christ.

Then deny they are sinless..

They make me think of the summer of 1990 in Little Rock Arkansas...walked in Mc Cracks on Geyer Springs road and some dude was marking out every scripture in his bible that referenced sin.....tried to tell me he was sinless now.....he also had a "working for" salvation......another deceived Pharisee......!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Edit: This post was for PeterJens. I thought I was on his "Did Christ do enough to save us" thread, and THAT was the thread I was referencing here.. My sincere apologies to Dcontroversal. You gotta cut me some slack, I ain't had enough coffee yet..lol

The title of this thread is ridiculous. Some of the OP's views are just as ludicrous.. He must not realize that we are NOT saved through faith alone, but BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH. Add on top of that banana split, the fact he keeps implying that HE is sinless, that's the cherry on the split, and here's the whipped cream: he proclaims all this while calling others names and giving insults.

What we have here, is a ridiculously constructed banana split by the OP (viewpoint, for those too dim to get the analogy)...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You had me confused. I figured you made a mistake, Thats why I did not say anything.. (wait it was the orange tabbie that kept me quiet!)

Edit: This post was for PeterJens. I thought I was on his "Did Christ do enough to save us" thread, and THAT was the thread I was referencing here.. My sincere apologies to Dcontroversal. You gotta cut me some slack, I ain't had enough coffee yet..lol