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EG - Thank you for commenting here, it is most helpful.
You are saying you continue in sin, and not walking in a righteous way.
How often would you say you sin and what is your greatest failing?
Ofcourse I am not here to put you on the spot, except you say I am a sinless
perfectionist, so I assume you are a sinner commiting sin.
Now suggesting there are none who say they continually sin, is patently absurd.
The exception is people who talk about walking in purity and holiness.
I do wonder how your brain works, it must just jump to slander and defame mode
and off it goes, not thinking what you are doing and demonstrating your own failure
in the process.
You are saying you continue in sin, and not walking in a righteous way.
How often would you say you sin and what is your greatest failing?
Ofcourse I am not here to put you on the spot, except you say I am a sinless
perfectionist, so I assume you are a sinner commiting sin.
Now suggesting there are none who say they continually sin, is patently absurd.
The exception is people who talk about walking in purity and holiness.
I do wonder how your brain works, it must just jump to slander and defame mode
and off it goes, not thinking what you are doing and demonstrating your own failure
in the process.
There is a simple problem here. You claim to follow the spotless lamb to walk as He walks.
He shed His blood so that we might be clean, yet you seem to suggest the cleansing has
not worked for you.
If Paul is pure, holy and blameless in his testimony and behaviour, and we are to be imitators
of him, it seems you are falling far short of simple discipleship expectations.
Do you read the same bible as me? Or are you so woeful in having never dealt with your heart
even within an hour after 30+ years of following the Lord, you loose it?
I would suggest there is something wrong here, even in sanctification terms, Paul called the
corinthians Gods Holy people, despite all their problems, they got themselves sorted out.
He shed His blood so that we might be clean, yet you seem to suggest the cleansing has
not worked for you.
If Paul is pure, holy and blameless in his testimony and behaviour, and we are to be imitators
of him, it seems you are falling far short of simple discipleship expectations.
Do you read the same bible as me? Or are you so woeful in having never dealt with your heart
even within an hour after 30+ years of following the Lord, you loose it?
I would suggest there is something wrong here, even in sanctification terms, Paul called the
corinthians Gods Holy people, despite all their problems, they got themselves sorted out.
Interesting question, because it is an error. No one can say they are without sin,
because only God knows, but we can say we walk in purity, holiness and blamelessly.
This does not mean we will not stumble in the future, but does imply we are washed
and cleansed by the blood of the lamb, and walk in communion with Christ, our bodies
being His Holy temple.
What people forget to point out, when you are washed by God, you are clean, or else
what is the point of being washed. You can become defiled by sin, through sinful acts,
but then you repent and confess and get yourself right with God, to restore your fellowship.
Sin has never been the real problem in our walk, it is the purity of our hearts and knowing
which things and in which way we should do them. But this is where the hyper-legalists use
sin to talk about motivation and style, rather than love and truth.
because only God knows, but we can say we walk in purity, holiness and blamelessly.
This does not mean we will not stumble in the future, but does imply we are washed
and cleansed by the blood of the lamb, and walk in communion with Christ, our bodies
being His Holy temple.
What people forget to point out, when you are washed by God, you are clean, or else
what is the point of being washed. You can become defiled by sin, through sinful acts,
but then you repent and confess and get yourself right with God, to restore your fellowship.
Sin has never been the real problem in our walk, it is the purity of our hearts and knowing
which things and in which way we should do them. But this is where the hyper-legalists use
sin to talk about motivation and style, rather than love and truth.
Whose reformed position?
Yes a result of being saved.(by faith, not of ourselves) If we are not born of God’s righteousness according to His labor of love ,as a work of His faith, there would be no way to follow Him who has no form.
How do we follow Him? We walk by faith not after some work of the flesh that we have experienced .The faith is not of ourselves least any man boast in vain. For instance like that man in Mathew 7 (worker of iniquity) trying to establish a righteousness of his own self. Blaspheming the Holy name by which we are called.
The key to help understand is found in the gospel (Galatians 3:1-5) as to the hearing of Christ’s faith, as he from heaven gives us ears to hear what the Spirit is teaching. Beginning with that work He works in us as to the end of the matter. And not the first time we sin we need to crucify him over and over like those in Hebrews 6.
God requests us to answer ...Received ye the Spirit by the “works of the law”, or by the “hearing of faith”?
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the “works of the law”, or by the” hearing of faith”? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was “accounted to” him for righteousness. (This is a imputed righteousness. )
We therefore can put faith in Christ (towards God) because he first gives His faith from Him. Its faith in towards Him, that comes from us hearing him, of Christ.
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Gal 3:1-5
Offering our faith towards Him is considered dead faith. He must do the first works (hearing Him) before we can love Him.
It’s what was being said I believe in Revelation2. Some of the members, were having their faith in respect to men,( the deeds/works of the Nicolaitanes).
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
It seems obvious if we are commanded to do the first works of Christ working in us (believing God) ,rather than man he would continue to work in us to the end .
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God”, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Yes a result of being saved.(by faith, not of ourselves) If we are not born of God’s righteousness according to His labor of love ,as a work of His faith, there would be no way to follow Him who has no form.
How do we follow Him? We walk by faith not after some work of the flesh that we have experienced .The faith is not of ourselves least any man boast in vain. For instance like that man in Mathew 7 (worker of iniquity) trying to establish a righteousness of his own self. Blaspheming the Holy name by which we are called.
The key to help understand is found in the gospel (Galatians 3:1-5) as to the hearing of Christ’s faith, as he from heaven gives us ears to hear what the Spirit is teaching. Beginning with that work He works in us as to the end of the matter. And not the first time we sin we need to crucify him over and over like those in Hebrews 6.
God requests us to answer ...Received ye the Spirit by the “works of the law”, or by the “hearing of faith”?
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the “works of the law”, or by the” hearing of faith”? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was “accounted to” him for righteousness. (This is a imputed righteousness. )
We therefore can put faith in Christ (towards God) because he first gives His faith from Him. Its faith in towards Him, that comes from us hearing him, of Christ.
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Gal 3:1-5
Offering our faith towards Him is considered dead faith. He must do the first works (hearing Him) before we can love Him.
It’s what was being said I believe in Revelation2. Some of the members, were having their faith in respect to men,( the deeds/works of the Nicolaitanes).
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
It seems obvious if we are commanded to do the first works of Christ working in us (believing God) ,rather than man he would continue to work in us to the end .
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God”, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
hmm that last part.. I disagree
I will give you my view
I believe sin is a stumbling block indeed but its a failure as well. If we like it or not. No matter what we are never a 100% blameless as we are not yet completely free.as long as we walk this earth we are not blameless and sinless. we are sanctified. We are only sinless and blameless in heaven as our sinful nature gets us all the time.
Which is where I agree with your 2nd part. repenting and confessing to God to get right with him. But not just to get right with him for Gods sake, but to take ground away from the enemy. We still tho have to take consequences for sins we commit, which we all do.
I will give you my view
I believe sin is a stumbling block indeed but its a failure as well. If we like it or not. No matter what we are never a 100% blameless as we are not yet completely free.as long as we walk this earth we are not blameless and sinless. we are sanctified. We are only sinless and blameless in heaven as our sinful nature gets us all the time.
Which is where I agree with your 2nd part. repenting and confessing to God to get right with him. But not just to get right with him for Gods sake, but to take ground away from the enemy. We still tho have to take consequences for sins we commit, which we all do.
The title of this thread is ridiculous. Some of the OP's views are just as ludicrous.. He must not realize that we are NOT saved through faith alone, but BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH. Add on top of that banana split, the fact he keeps implying that HE is sinless, that's the cherry on the split, and here's the whipped cream: he proclaims all this while calling others names and giving insults.
What we have here, is a ridiculously constructed banana split by the OP (viewpoint, for those too dim to get the analogy)...
What we have here, is a ridiculously constructed banana split by the OP (viewpoint, for those too dim to get the analogy)...
They make me think of the summer of 1990 in Little Rock Arkansas...walked in Mc Cracks on Geyer Springs road and some dude was marking out every scripture in his bible that referenced sin.....tried to tell me he was sinless now.....he also had a "working for" salvation......another deceived Pharisee......!
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You had me confused. I figured you made a mistake, Thats why I did not say anything.. (wait it was the orange tabbie that kept me quiet!)
Edit: This post was for PeterJens. I thought I was on his "Did Christ do enough to save us" thread, and THAT was the thread I was referencing here.. My sincere apologies to Dcontroversal. 
You gotta cut me some slack, I ain't had enough coffee yet..lol
You gotta cut me some slack, I ain't had enough coffee yet..lol