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eternally-gratefull said:
To heaven if you were saved

God said he will
Never leave nor forsake you. He means it
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^^^^ This was the response to the following statement:

“where would I have gone after accepting God and then worshipping the Davil if had died while worshipping the Devil?”

This is why I find the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved/Eternal Security so offensive. It creates believers who make statements like the one eternally-grateful made.

What’s even more astonishing is that many will not even be moved by it.
 
stonesoffire said:
If you had died in witchcraft? I don’t know where you would be.


I understand what you are saying biker. My response is that you would not of died in that condition because God is faithful to His Word.
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And that very well could be why I am still alive and now with all that I am I give honor to God!

But, I cannot think everyone is so lucky.

And that is why I do not believe in the OSAS platform because had I died while living as a witch/pagan, I surely would've gone to Hell!
 
VCO said:
The KJV, it is what it is, only a PHARAPHASE of OLDER English Versions.
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You are wrong.

The KJV is classified as a literal translation by many sources.

The translators kept renderings from previous versions when they agreed faithfully to the original. The only changes they made was when the previous translations didn’t convey the original clearly, correctly, and when they lacked eloquence.
 
preacher4truth said:
Go right ahead, report away.

And while you get ready to report me and accuse me of lying, I'll say this: I have proof you teach it by your own words on several occasions and was waiting for you to deny it's what you teach. :)

It is in fact what you teach, making salvation merit, and not grace.

Keep in mind one thing with all your name calling, threats and insults: I don't lie nor do i say tings you do not teach as you do with me. That's a fact.

You can say whatever you want about me, as you most definitely do, and they are not truth at all. Although this is true, I don't go around threatening to report you, or call you names. I just consider where these mistruths about me come from. No matter how many times I show you you're incorrect, you continue to do it, and with zero facts or proofs.

I'll post the proofs of what I said when I get time.
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Go ahead. Proof away

I could Never chose god on my own. If I ever said it. Prove it In those words. That I chose god based on my own power and with no help from god
 
preacher4truth said:
Go right ahead, report away.

And while you get ready to report me and accuse me of lying, I'll say this: I have proof you teach it by your own words on several occasions and was waiting for you to deny it's what you teach. :)

It is in fact what you teach, making salvation merit, and not grace.

Keep in mind one thing with all your name calling, threats and insults: I don't lie nor do i say tings you do not teach as you do with me. That's a fact.

You can say whatever you want about me, as you most definitely do, and they are not truth at all. Although this is true, I don't go around threatening to report you, or call you names. I just consider where these mistruths about me come from. No matter how many times I show you you're incorrect, you continue to do it, and with zero facts or proofs.

I'll post the proofs of what I said when I get time.
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Name calling,insults,threats......of course you don’t do any of these do you buddy.........your special!.....what a joke.....your a manipulator.....telling me God was upset with me because I called you daft..hahaha.

Think yourself lucky I didn’t call you something else a lot stronger!
 
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biker said:
And that very well could be why I am still alive and now with all that I am I give honor to God!

But, I cannot think everyone is so lucky.

And that is why I do not believe in the OSAS platform because had I died while living as a witch/pagan, I surely would've gone to Hell!
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You personal testimony only serves as confirmation bias.... better to learn Truth from the scripture. ... if you have eyes to see and ears to hear?
 
preacher4truth said:
He never told the others to choose God. He told them to choose one of their false gods.

And it wasn't the gospel being presented, or an invitation to eternal life, as God already chose them, and some showed themselves to not be of Israel at all; Romans 9:6-7. Joshua understood this to be true.

Joshua served God because he was regenerate, it wasn't him "accepting Christ as Savior" but as a regenerate person he served God with his house.
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Isn't anyone that has received salvation a regenerate?
 
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VCO said:
THERE IS THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL 1611 KJV PREFACE in my post above.
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My copy of the Bible has this beautifully written, God honoring, preface.

No modern translation has a preface like this; they are full of themselves with their Scholar jargon and disconnected pedantic speech.
 
biker said:
And that very well could be why I am still alive and now with all that I am I give honor to God!

But, I cannot think everyone is so lucky.

And that is why I do not believe in the OSAS platform because had I died while living as a witch/pagan, I surely would've gone to Hell!
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Frankly, I do not think you really know what the OSAS platform actually is:


HERE IS A HINT:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us;
but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
 
Micaiah-imla said:
Out of all the accusations against the KJV that I have heard, this one is the most foolish and craziest one I’ve heard to date.

Hey, if you believe that nonsense, fine.

You have a free will to do what you want.
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How is it foolish when we have their own written comments?

When they admit such things, how is it wrong to ignore and think otherwise?
 
jr,
you come across to us as exactly who and what you are...
go back where you belong and stop trying to present your bizarre reality at Truth...
you are such an easy caught 'red-handed-troll!!!
to us, so obvious, to the point of absurdity!!!
 
VCO said:
Frankly, I do not think you really know what the OSAS platform actually is:


HERE IS A HINT:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us;
but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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So, you're position is that when I called the 4 Corners, called the Elements, gave honor to the deities connected to the Season we were observing, when I would then read the explanation of those idols and gods and why they were connected to the Celebration at hand, then from there the Ceremony turned into a glutton fest of alcohol, drugs, strange women, all sorts of sexual immorality...because I once gave my life to God being filled with His Spirit as a young boy and lived that life for 10 years...I still was Saved?
 
EleventhHour said:
Rejoice always;
pray without ceasing;
in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Do not quench the Spirit;
do not despise prophetic utterances.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 (NASB)

Well there are many, but where does it mention repentance/contrition for sin here?

So which one?
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How do you think one quenches the Spirit?
 
VCO said:
Frankly, I do not think you really know what the OSAS platform actually is:


HERE IS A HINT:

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us;
but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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If any OSAS believer later leaves the faith. it means the NEVER WERE a believer. This means you can only know you were a true believer the day you die and never left the faith.
 
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biker said:
And that very well could be why I am still alive and now with all that I am I give honor to God!

But, I cannot think everyone is so lucky.

And that is why I do not believe in the OSAS platform because had I died while living as a witch/pagan, I surely would've gone to Hell!
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You must have a very unique experience. Can’t imagine how that could happen but nothing new under the sun so it must of happened before.
 
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