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This is total abomination.
You are saying or implying that Jesus is God because he put on the flesh of men.
Jesus is God because he was made flesh????? Critical Thinking please
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Jesus was God because " All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. "
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus is the Son of God because John bare record/ testified of this.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
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was God as in being appointed the authority of God to do the will of God.
is Son of God because he is the same yesterday, today and forever
The Father is God.
The Word is the Son of God
iymus, what are your thoughts on comparing these two scriptures:
Exodus 20
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,
Matthew 28
9 And [b]as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
There are three phrases in John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word
The Word was with God
The Word was God.
We know that the Word existed in the beginning eternal (John 1:1), made all things (John 1:3), is the Light of men (John 1:4), made the world (John 1:10), became flesh (John 1:14) and took away the sins of the world (John 1:19)
This Word was in the begining with God (distinct person from Father and Holy Spirit) and was God (Diety).
100% agree
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EleventhHour
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Jesus clearly identified with this statement and you sir are in DENIAL.
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”1 And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’
Exodus 3:14
I actually trust Jesus unlike you and your salvation losing working for pals
So you openly deny the deity of Christ?
Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
False pride. What is it that pride goes before
False. You have no idea of my relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and His great goodness and grace manifested in my life. Your maxims are maxims of ashes and your judgements will fall upon your own head.
I am simply going to paste these verse below. Perhaps reading comprehension will be used and a fuller context will be received.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
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1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
To set this straight and as I have pointed out in the VOLUME of this thread the saved will include...
a. Non workers that have the wood, hay and stubble crispy fried, yet saved
b. Those that labor and have works of gold, silver and precious stones
c. Weak, unfaithful saved that bear little if any fruit
d. Very faithful that bear an abundance
e. Those faithful over a Few things and made ruler over much
f. Saved that sell out to sin and are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh
g. Saved that sin horrifically like David, chastened his whole life because of it yet saved
h. Those that lose faith and become faithless, yet saved because JESUS CANNOT deny himself!
The gift is irrevocable by God and he may whip the crap out of us, but does not cast us away, keeps us by his power and NOTHING can separate us from his love......!
Sure I do, by the dogma you peddle genius!
Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
The bible answers this....IF WE BECOME FAITHLESS, HE abides faithful because he cannot deny himself....
What you guys cannot grasp....to say we can lose salvation by losing faith makes Jesus a liar....
He begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith in us BECAUSE HE ABIDES FAITHFUL AND CANNOT DENY HIMSELF EVEN IF WE BECOME FAITHLESS!!!!!
wake up man.....salvation is secure!
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
God - Elohim (Plural)
Word: MIDL@
Pronounce: el-o-heem'
Strong: H430
Orig: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. H433
Use: TWOT-93c Noun Masculine
Grk Strong: G2304 G2316 G2316 G2962
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
God - Elohim (Plural)
Word: MIDL@
Pronounce: el-o-heem'
Strong: H430
Orig: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. H433
Use: TWOT-93c Noun Masculine
Grk Strong: G2304 G2316 G2316 G2962
- 1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive-singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God
denying that he is the Anointed of God our Father is denying Christ.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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The son is an appointed saviour. If not he would have came in his own name but he couldn't because only the name and authority of the Lord our God The Father can save.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
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EleventhHour
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He is just playing games... cannot give a straight answer.