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Its their strawman, i think they say it to convince themselves they are ok. And continue to hold on to their legalistic thinking
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I can never understand why those who think they don`t have to obey any commands will be accepted by God. The goats are sent away because of sins they haven`t repented for.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Oh dear. Does that put my salvation at risk?
I added nothing; I simply emphasized. When Jesus says obedience He means being faithful and loving. When you say obedience you interject an “or else” connotation. Thank God His grace rules the day.
Where did I say or else? All my statements were descriptive. John 10:27 is descriptive. I interpret John 10:27 as a descriptive, not proscriptive. Therefore you have not read my posts with comprehension.
Now do you understand what I just said, or shall I explain it to you
But if I was, I would say that this error in logic of yours causes you to accuse people of saying things they didn’t say, (like or else). You are careless.
You added two words, though I agree with the thought, I wouldn’t call it fixing Jesus’ words.
The whole post was DESCRIPTIVE in nature. As are my other statements on this. The fact that you read “or else” into what I said causes me to question whether you are being dishonest or or not reading with understanding
Do you know what a descriptive, as opposed to a prescriptive statement is. There’s good dictionaries online
Fixing Jesus’ words? That’s heretical. And I’m not being dishonest. Obviously I’m brutally honest which is why you became so upset.
What happened to that cocky little know it all high fiving his little works compadre while disrespecting people who disagree with them? (that would be you). You now have a much softer tone.
Thanks. There was some inclination that I didn't do works by someone but hey, it's all copacetic. As long as my Savior knows my heart, that's all that counts. Bottom line is that what's in our hearts is what counts most.
Obey, works, obey, works. There is not one single person on this awesome thread who has obeyed all the commandments. We are not under the law anymore, praise Jesus Christ the Lord. We are to ask forgiveness if we realize we have sinned or have been disobedient. Yes. But to try to continue to live under the law is self-defeating. It couldn't be done in the beginning and it cannot be done now. Only the yielding to the Holy Spirit and the guidance of God's Words can keep us on as straight a path as a human can be on.
I am only harsh with false accusers. Like you. So I will now be harsh with you.
You are a false accuser. Works of darkness you do. Here’s the charges...
I make my point by using DESCRIPTIVE texts, which means they are not prescribing actions in order to be saved, but rather describing those who are saved already. But you try to twist them into prescriptions. That makes you either a liar or someone who does not know how to rightly handle God’s Word
John 10:27 is descriptive
Hebrews 3:6 is descriptive
1John 3:3 is descriptive
1 John2:3 is descriptive
Now go find out what a descriptive statement is
If I am quoting them as descriptive, then they are not caused or grounds of salvation, they are effects of it
But obviously you don’t understand scripture. For if you did, you would know they were descriptive and would have known and understood my position. But apparently you never realized they were descriptive. Therefore you only read the Bible suprficially.
Soft enough for you?
It’s funny you didn’t use John 3:16 nor did you use Romans 10:9-10. Is there too much guarantee of salvation in those two Scriptures? I know, let’s check out Luke 12:32. On another note, don’t be harsh with me whatever you do, my fragile disposition can’t bear it.
It’s funny you didn’t use John 3:16 nor did you use Romans 10:9-10. Is there too much guarantee of salvation in those two Scriptures? I know, let’s check out Luke 12:32. On another note, don’t be harsh with me whatever you do, my fragile disposition can’t bear it.
If you had read my posts from yesterday, you wouldn’t have written this ludicrous post. I defended Security of the believer yesterday. You do nothing but pratfall over and over again. Ask @BillG what I said. As @mailmandan what I said. Ask @calibob what I said.
You are just another false accuser. I have enough of those already on my plate
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It’s funny you didn’t use John 3:16 nor did you use Romans 10:9-10. Is there too much guarantee of salvation in those two Scriptures? I know, let’s check out Luke 12:32. On another note, don’t be harsh with me whatever you do, my fragile disposition can’t bear it.
Post 40, not of works but created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
Keep on misrepresenting people. It only shows that you turn the grace of God into a license to lie. You can lie all you want, and your spirit new nature is unharmed, because it’s only your body doing it.
Gnosticism. My body sins all it wants and my new nature is still righteous. A guy named @Budman promoted this. It is totally Gnostic
It is Jesus in our heart that counts.
Yeah, and as I said in 107,257, it is Jesus who keeps us. But you keep accusing me of works salvation, lying. Does this “license to lie” you have mean you agree with the gnostic tenet that a Christian can sin all he wants, because it’s only his or her body doing it, and the new nature is not involved. That’s how some interpret “the one who is born of God does not (practice) sin. (Practice is based on the tense of the verb). This teaching that is promoted by some is a horrible mishandling of scripture