Not By Works

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BillG

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I know what osas teaches,but I also know that some abuse it. Even the Bible says so. And I have heard people teach it just like I said. Not denying the doctrine, but you know it can be abused. If not, then you have not had the experiences with certain people I’ve had
What does OSAS teach?
 
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Security in CHRIST and OSAS mean the exact SAME THING. Most Anti-OSAS, DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE TEACH, NOR that OBEDIENCE IS PART OF LOVE. So in their IGNORANCE, they spew forth all kinds of FALSE INFORMATION, about us, and insist that it is real, BECAUSE their Favorite Teacher said so. NEVER EVEN REALIZING their Favorite teacher who they look up to, like he is a guru, DOES NOT KNOW A HILL OF BEANS ABOUT WHAT WE TEACH, TOO.

So, just because someone says in their IGNORANCE, "Oh so you believe you can sin all you want after you are Saved."; I refuse to change my Terms and their TRUE MEANING of OSAS, which I LOVE BECAUSE HE IS FAITHFUL, just because someone makes that Ignorant Statement.


2 Tim 1:9 {CSB}
He has saved us
and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

John 10:27 {CSB}
“My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.

Philippians 1:6 {HCSB}
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Would you say that sayings Christian can sin all they want would be an abuse. Because I had more than one here defend a person who said that

If that’s not abusing it, I guess you’re right and it can’t be abused.
 

RickStudies

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The correct form of it is that Christ will not lose any of His
The ones who are hostile to good works, holy living, God`s commandments and repenting for mistakes always shock me. I can never understand why they think they are safe from judgement.
 

BillG

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The ones who are hostile to good works, holy living, God`s commandments and repenting for mistakes always shock me. I can never understand why they think they are safe from judgement.
Quote anyone in here who has said the above.
 

BillG

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The ones who are hostile to good works, holy living, God`s commandments and repenting for mistakes always shock me. I can never understand why they think they are safe from judgement.
No one is safe from judgement, even believers
 
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Who is regenerate?
Many said I wasn't when I stopped going to church but didn't bother to seek me out.
Those who were dead in sin and have been raised to new life in Christ Jesus. Spiritual resurrection/ new birth
 

Lafftur

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The ones who are hostile to good works, holy living, God`s commandments and repenting for mistakes always shock me. I can never understand why they think they are safe from judgement.
No one is safe from judgement, even believers
I agree with BillG - no one is safe from judgment, even believers because judgment begins at the house of God. However, believers are safe from God's wrath.

Hallelujah! Thank You, Yeshua/Jesus!! :love:(y)
 
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The ones who are hostile to good works, holy living, God`s commandments and repenting for mistakes always shock me. I can never understand why they think they are safe from judgement.
If we are saved, things line up, even though we may struggle and even fall, we get back up

A. When a believer falls, God will go After them

B. A believer’s habitat should not be in sin, any more than a sheep’s habitat is the mud.

C. If an abiding believer falls into sin, they are not comfortable in it

D. If they grow comfortable there, God will chasten them.

E. But God has provide all we need to stand firm and steadfast

1. The blood of Christ

2. The intercession of Christ

3. The power of the Holy Spirit. The same Spirit who raised Christ from the dead

4. Great and precious promised by which we partake of the Divine Nature

5. His Word to strengthen

6. God is available to us in prayer 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. No holds or delays in availability

7. Brethren to sharpen us and hold us accountable.

Abundant mercy and long suffering.

Grace overflows and we settle for crumbs
 
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No one is safe from judgement, even believers
We will all stand before the Bema. But not for sins, for believers sins are forgiven. But we will give an account toGod and we will gain and lose rewards based on faithfulness.

And EVERY WORD we say, including here, we will give an account for. Not that we will be standing there for thousands of years to be judged. The eyes that burn like fire 🔥 will lay our souls bare in an instant perhaps

But if we are clothed in Christ we are safe