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Mr. HERETICSDAMNEDNOTSAVED

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Seems to follow me where ever I go, sometimes he is happy and sometimes he gets very angry.
But why does he keep coming back??
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Get away from them? I thought God told us to go into the world. And baptise nations. Not alienate ourselves from them..

Football is not of the world. If you think this, I feel very sorry for you and your churhc, you must be very boring people

Paul tells us what the world is, It is full of sin, Selfish, And usong people.

Sorry, But before you continue judging people. You need to take that plank out of your eye. And learn what real sin is. God did not tell people they were not allowed to go have fun, Quite the opposite.
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Yes we are called to go into the world.
Jesus did that and met sinners where they were at.

Going to the topic of football.
I posted earlier that I had professional papers with a salary of 20k plus bonuses.
Now in those days 20k would buy you a very nice house over here.

So if the church I was going to at the time felt that football is of the world and therefore a sin would they have rejected my monthly tithe?

Nope they would not.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Mr. HERETICSDAMNEDNOTSAVED

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Seems to follow me where ever I go, sometimes he is happy and sometimes he gets very angry.
But why does he keep coming back??
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Until today I've not had the X.
But just been given 2 by the same person who has given likes and happy.

Oh well never mind.
I'm happy with my position and posts.
I wouldn't post if I wasn't.

Not double minded like some.
 
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Hevosmies said:
What is the world? Does the bible have a definition of it? Where does Paul tell us what the world is? I want to see that verse and im dead serious. Do you think i like to believe as I do? I just try to be honest with the Bible.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


Sounds to me like fun is very much forbidden actually! Most of the stuff I would consider fun = sin in the bible. Things like: Fornication(this should be bolded), running my mouth with the homies talking trash, hip hop music, playing cards etc. <- All SINFUL, yet fun. I realize whats fun to everyone is different though.

The Bible says there is a pleasure in sin for a season. That season ends when we draw our last breath!
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Like I said.

I feel sorry for you and your church.

Fun is not LUST. I do not LUST after footbal. It is a way for me to relax and spend quality time with my brothers and sisters in christ, and invite others into our homes and share that with them, letting them know as christians we are not fuddy dudies who are afraid to have fun. Which is no found anyplace in scripture.

Again, I went to a church that says what you say, The church was a strong thriving church until our pastor retired, When the pastor took over and started making it legalistic to do things, they church slowly died. Many people who were new christians, Walked away from God. Because they could not live up to the standard imposed by the pastor. In the end, we were down to less than 20 people who came regularly, (they were people that were there when the church started) and when the pastor was finally asked to leave, the damage was done, we had to change th ename of the church because the reputation had been destroyed. And it still never got to where it ws before..

Like I said, I have seen in the last ten years more power from God than I have ever witnessed, And according to you. That church is evil.

Did not know Satan was in the work of healing people from alcohol and drug addiction, Pornography, Sexual sin (homo and hetero) Gambling, Pride and sickness.

But he must be, if your right..
 
UnderGrace said:
Soon the believers will be underground ....but this is the best solution.
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The believers should never go underground, If they do that, we are not following the commission to go into the world.

God promised the gates of hell will never prevail. Why does the church not trust God?

As paul said, You may be able to take my phsical life. But you can not stop the power of God. (He will just send others) and when I am gone, I am home.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
I would say first and most importantly the true message of the gospel needs to be taught.

The leaders of this congregation ought to be elders... not only in age but people more experienced in their walk than I am.... called to teach...

... you ask a great question sis

which brother hevo answered in his own way from his heart in much more detail than i have here...

honestly I am not sure I am mature enough to know all the ins and outs of which functions should be forbidden in our gatherings short of what is obviously against Gods will or what The Holy Spirit convicts us of...

my main goal in most of my fellowship is to examine the teachings of my elders according to scripture

and maybe be of use to some of my brothers and sisters....

we ARE the church... and I just dont want to be the foot that fell asleep😅
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I think which functions should be limited or not even allowed are things like orgies. Drunkedness, Gambling, Partied with drug use/ and other SINFUL things

I do nto think anything else shoudl be held off limits , If God blesses it Why stop it. If God does not bless it. Well maybe God is sayingthat will not work
 
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Soon the believers will be underground ....but this is the best solution.
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I do agree with this....the bible is clear, as evil grows, evil men and seducers wax worse and worse, laws are passed against biblical Christianity we wull be ostracised, arrested, imprisoned, killed etc....you know, MANY CANNOT ADD WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORDS OF Jesus and Paul.....

NO FLESH LEFT ALIVE IF JESUS DOES NOT COME WHEN HE COMES

WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN TO THE COMING OF CHRIST

If the so called rapture was imminent the above two statements make no sense.....and there is but ONE COMING OF CHRIST

Was
Is
IS TO COME
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Like I said.

I feel sorry for you and your church.

Fun is not LUST. I do not LUST after footbal. It is a way for me to relax and spend quality time with my brothers and sisters in christ, and invite others into our homes and share that with them, letting them know as christians we are not fuddy dudies who are afraid to have fun. Which is no found anyplace in scripture.

Again, I went to a church that says what you say, The church was a strong thriving church until our pastor retired, When the pastor took over and started making it legalistic to do things, they church slowly died. Many people who were new christians, Walked away from God. Because they could not live up to the standard imposed by the pastor. In the end, we were down to less than 20 people who came regularly, (they were people that were there when the church started) and when the pastor was finally asked to leave, the damage was done, we had to change th ename of the church because the reputation had been destroyed. And it still never got to where it ws before..

Like I said, I have seen in the last ten years more power from God than I have ever witnessed, And according to you. That church is evil.

Did not know Satan was in the work of healing people from alcohol and drug addiction, Pornography, Sexual sin (homo and hetero) Gambling, Pride and sickness.

But he must be, if your right..
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cool :cool:

I asked you: "What is the world? Does the bible have a definition of it? Where does Paul tell us what the world is? I want to see that verse "

Can you answer please?
 
Hevosmies said:
cool :cool:

I asked you: "What is the world? Does the bible have a definition of it? Where does Paul tell us what the world is? I want to see that verse "

Can you answer please?
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You gave the answer

And I responded in kind.
 
GodsGrace101 said:
The truth is cv5, that you have NO verses to post that support eternal security outside of God and the obedience to His commandments,,,the moral commandments.

You posted the following for support, but it does not support your theory:

John 6:37-40 Jesus said.
37“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
38“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”


verse 37 The Father draws all men to Jesus, ,,, And Jesus, being the way to God,,, will bring all men to God Father. Romans 1:19-20 states that God has always made Himself by known to man and draws man to Himself by the things that are created.....

John 14:23 states that everyone who loves Jesus, they will keep His word, the Father will love them, and both Jesus and the person will make thier abode with God.

All those who go to Jesus for salvation and knowledge of God....He will in no way ever cast out.
It is Gods will that all men be saved....1 Timothy 2:4

verse 38 Jesus came to us to be our salvation, our atonement, our master....this has been the will of God Father since the beginning of time.

verse 39 Lose nothing should read: should not destroy. Jesus WILL KEEP those who believe in Him,,,their bodies WILL BE resurrected at the last day...just like Jesus' body was. 1 Corinthians.
This for those who believe in Him...will not perish, John 3:16
Those who believe, even if they die, will live forever....John 11:25, Jesus is the resurrection.
This is repeated in verse 40.

verse 40 This verse confirms verse 39......:
everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”


God draws all men to Him.
He gives those that accept His revelation He gives to the care of the Son.
The Son draws men to the Father.
The Son cares for those that believe in Him. (present tense, always)
Those that believe in the Son will never die.
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You cannot even be obedient to the rules of this site.....how can you peddle an obedience laced false gospel......

Faith is what saves....not your Catholic obdience to a set of rules and religious hoop jumping....

You are false and what you peddle here is false
 
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GodsGrace101 said:
yes,,,I do agree with the above.

I have a simple way of thinking about this....
God invites us into His Kingdom ...here on earth.
To remain in any Kingdom requires following the rules.
God's Kingdom is real:

It has a place (a dimension in this case)
It has a King
It has inhabitants (we believers)
It has rules

Also, I'm beginning to think that those who believe in OSAS are afraid of something....
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Yeah, a King that GIVES ETERNAL LIFE AND KEEPS US BY HIS POWER THROUGH TJE FAITH HE BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES......we are afraid of nothing....you on the other hand live in fear daily....fear of not keeping yourself saved and of not being obedient enough.....your dogma and assumptions are false Fran and you have no credibility here....one who was banned and back disobeying the rules does not set a biblical example for obeying to remain saved!!!
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
Mornin' brothers and sisters... I pray all you are having a blessed day whatever time it is where you are

praise God, for another day to share His love in us while we are still away from home


(i appreciate you guys fighting for the truth.... and it was nice to see you post again star)
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Amen brother....have you made that silver yet.....?
 
It's not activities of the world that we avoid, but the spirit of the world or the influence of evil that's in the world. Football by itself is not evil. It can be used by men controlled by evil.

We have received Holy Spirit. Of God- heaven.
 
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