"Not by works" - false!

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eternally-gratefull said:
You do not know our argument then and are just trolling

when you know what we believe come back. Maybe then we can have a real discussion
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Oh but we have discussed plenty. What I posted above is very applicable to what Eleventh Hour believes. So when you address me as not knowing "Our" beliefs, you then automatically assimilate your and her views. Rather, you should say "My" instead of "Our".
 
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If they aren’t born again....there lies the problem...they couldn’t possibly understand us,...because God hasn’t taken up residence in their hearts.

They aren’t born again.
 
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Chris1975 said:
Oh but we have discussed plenty. What I posted above is very applicable to what Eleventh Hour believes. So when you address me as not knowing "Our" beliefs, you then automatically assimilate your and her views. Rather, you should say "My" instead of "Our".
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No disrespect Sir...I don’t believe you are born again.....so will leave you to it.
God Bless.

What we speak of will be alien to you.
 
Chris1975 said:
Oh but we have discussed plenty. What I posted above is very applicable to what Eleventh Hour believes. So when you address me as not knowing "Our" beliefs, you then automatically assimilate your and her views. Rather, you should say "My" instead of "Our".
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You do not know what she believes

Your interpretation of believe and hers are not the same

You have been told this many times. Yet you continue to do the same

Thus my comments stand
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You do not know what she believes

Your interpretation of believe and hers are not the same

You have been told this many times. Yet you continue to do the same

Thus my comments stand
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1) Your (collective) views are that you cannot lose your salvation.
2) Which means that if I confess and believe in Christ at any point in the past, AND THEN convert to a works based gospel, then according to you (collectively) I cannot lose my salvation.
3) So why do you preach AGAINST a works based salvation TO CHRISTIANS ?

You cant have it both ways.
 
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Chris1975 said:
We will soon find out.
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Praise God I found out 28 yrs ago....that I was born again......that can never ever be taken from a believers heart.

But once I was a new babe....that was a battle ground for the enemy...he drove me crazy.....God has silenced him now in my mind about being OSAS....Praise God.
Have a nice day.
 
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Chris1975 said:
Why is it sad? According to your doctrine I cannot lose my salvation.

You see, you can't have it both ways.
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That is right there there is only on way to be known by Him eternally.... but some say Lord, Lord.
 
Chris1975 said:
1) Your (collective) views are that you cannot lose your salvation.
2) Which means that if I confess and believe in Christ at any point in the past, AND THEN convert to a works based gospel, then according to you (collectively) I cannot lose my salvation.
3) So why do you preach AGAINST a works based salvation TO CHRISTIANS ?

You cant have it both ways.
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1. My belief is that living faith is required for salvation
2 my belief is that a person that has living faith would NEVER revert to works. Only a dog returns to their vomit. A dog was never saved they continued to be a dog Which is why he returned to what he really was

Again. When your ready to discuss what we really believe feel free. Until then there can be no honest discussion
 
eternally-gratefull said:
1. My belief is that love bing faith is required for salvation
2 my belief is that a person that has living faith would NEVER revert to works. Only a dog returns to their vomit. A dog was never saved he continued to be a dog

Again. When your ready to discuss what we really believe feel free. Until then there can be no honest discussion
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You maybe have to reconsider the "dog" thing because the lady talking to Jesus referred to herself as a dog and he never denied or question her remark. A dog is a gentile, so according to Bible customs we are all dogs, until we are saved and become part of Israel.
 
sherryt said:
Good Morning Everyone, it seems like heavy conversations are going on, if it's ok I would like to stay in this room and possibly post. PTL.
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Hi, yes of course. This is the Bible discussion forum so it is more likely than not that not everybody will agree with your view. Don't get discouraged and keep a cool head :) .
 
sherryt said:
Good Morning Everyone, it seems like heavy conversations are going on, if it's ok I would like to stay in this room and possibly post. PTL.
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Welcome and we look forward to anything you have to offer
 
Judges: I may have misunderstood but didn't eternally-gratefull say "Christ holds us you can't hold yourself. If you are trying you have failed already" ? And your reply ???? Again I may have misunderstood if I did I apologize.
Judges1318 said:
No, no, you hold on to Christ, he holds onto you.

"...I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me." - Philippians 3:12

"...holding on to faith..." - 1 Timothy 1:19
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Guojing said:
Romans 4:5 does not square with premise 1.
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Topic: We are saved by works

Premise1: Work is defined by the dictionary as an "activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result."
Premise2: Man's faith comes from himself, not God
Conclusion: Believing Christ died and rose from the dead (faith) is a work for it is the "mental effort" of Christians done to "achieve the purpose" of salvation and obedience to God. Thus all those of as defined in premised 2 logically are of the opinion that "we are saved by works".

Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is [a]credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).

Romans 4:5 does not define the word WORK; the dictionary is the authority of the meanings of words and therefore Premise1 must be true or there is no authority for the meaning of words and communication breaks down.
Romans 4:5 says Believing is Not a work to which I am in agreement. Romans 4:5 does not tell one why "believing is not a work".
I submit that believing is not a work because it is GOD that causes one to believe.
God does not contradict himself. He says believing is not a WORK and He says we are saved by BELIEVING which is a work by definition.
 
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