"Not by works" - false!

[dcontroversal]

Well, you have not judged correctly.

No one is good, but God.

I push the scripture, all of it, unadulterated.

Hahahahahahahahahah if you did....you would understand eternal security....!! What a joke!

 

[dcontroversal]

Romans 11:20, 22 - ...you stand by faith. Do not be high minded, but fear...otherwise you also will be cut off (with the unbelievers).

Now, my guess is that, you will proceed to dismantle this scripture with the instruments of Once Saved Always Saved theology.

Either way.

Peace be unto you!

Try the following coupled with HONESTY


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noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.

 

[dcontroversal]

When you have received the Holy Spirit you have been cleansed of all sin...you have been set free from death and/ brought into God’s light...you are a new creation in the Lord...you start your new journey with God.

A whole load of sin was lifted from me when I was born again..I was as light as a feather..a huge weight had been lifted from my shoulders.....Praise God.

ALL SIN was covered by the BLOOD....IT IS FINISHED = Paid in full and a believer has been placed into a positioning of GRACE AND THE LAW no longer CONDEMNS....

Where sin abounds, GRACE abounds the more

This is applied to believers and because PAUL preached it along with ETERNAL SECURITY he was ACCUSED of the same crap we are accused of by the salvation losers and workers for to this very day!

 

[EleventhHour]

I've recently seen a member say repentance is a change in the mind....lol!

How do you define the word "metanoia?"

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 3:14 ESV

For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

Does this also mean that someone who does not hold their original confidence firm to the end never came to share in Christ?

That's exactly what it means. Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ, (demonstrative evidence) if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, in which we read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, (demonstrative evidence) if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.

The wording is not - "and you will become partakers of Christ (future indicative) if you (future indicative) hold fast." It is rather - "you have been, and now are a partaker of Christ" (demonstrative evidence) if in the future you hold fast the beginning of your confidence steadfast to the end." Holding fast is proof of genuine conversion.

The point is that not all of these Hebrews have become partakers in Christ and the only ones in the end who will be identified as truly born again Hebrews who have partaken in Christ, will have been those who have held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end. Now what about those faltering Hebrews who depart from God, yet begin with loud confidence and profession of loyalty? But then later? Once again, holding fast is proof of genuine conversion.

 

[mailmandan]

How do you define the word "metanoia?"

"Metanoia" does mean a change of mind. - https://biblehub.com/greek/3341.htm

◄ 3341. metanoia ►

Strong's Concordance​

metanoia: change of mind, repentance

Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340/metanoeō ("repent").

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from metanoeó
Definition
change of mind, repentance
NASB Translation
repentance (22).​

 

[jackrosie]

I can relate very much to your teaching Judges.....if I have any questions I will be asking you..

This post was when I was extremely confused...God has brought me out of my confusion.
No offence Judges..God has promised me that I will be saved until I take my dieing breath...then I will be reunited with my Father in Heaven,where I will see him in his Full Glory.

So for me OSAS....is true....sorry if it offends...that is my promise from God.

And God Never lies....Amen!

The enemy knows my weaknesses...not in this area any more..Praise God!

 

[mailmandan]

This post was when I was extremely confused...God has brought me out of my confusion.
No offence Judges..God has promised me that I will be saved until I take my dieing breath...then I will be reunited with my Father in Heaven,where I will see him in his Full Glory.

So for me OSAS....is true....sorry if it offends...that is my promise from God.

And God Never lies....Amen!

The enemy knows my weaknesses...not in this area any more..Praise God!

No more confusion. OSAS is true. Praise God!

 

[EleventhHour]

"Metanoia" does mean a change of mind. - https://biblehub.com/greek/3341.htm

◄ 3341. metanoia ►

Strong's Concordance​

metanoia: change of mind, repentance

Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340/metanoeō ("repent").

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from metanoeó
Definition
change of mind, repentance
NASB Translation
repentance (22).​

I does indeed.
So maybe not so funny after all.
Thank you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Looks like most people who are against your views are OSAS believers. You probably went to the "Not by works" thread and challenged their beliefs. So now it's pay back time.

I think your civil, informative and your also a great teacher.

Learn from the constructive criticism and ignore any destructive comebacks.

In order to challenges ones beliefs you have to have some firm foundational truths.

he has not challenged our beliefs. He has if nothing else. Made our belief more firm.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I copied a provocative quote from Spurgeon:

• Spurgeon's Arminian prayer of the synergist: "Lord, I thank thee I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to thee of myself; I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace (You can this Faith) that I have, they might all have been saved. Lord, I know thou dost not make us willing if we are not willing ourselves. Thou givest grace (You can this Faith) to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many that will go to hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Ghost given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not thy grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal, still I turned the point; I made use (you don't call this WORK) of what was given me, and others did not-that is the difference between me and them."

I take it that you agree with Spurgeon's quote?

Wow, he said that?

he improved his grace?

i do not know what to say

 

[Pulie]

In order to challenges ones beliefs you have to have some firm foundational truths.

he has not challenged our beliefs. He has if nothing else. Made our belief more firm.

Okay I hear you

Let me put it this way, he probably asked difficult questions proving the Calvinist system to be infallible.
Both doctrines are infallible as they don't consider the whole counsel of God. It's beyond human comprehension to reach that level.
The arminium system is also infallible and if given difficult questions one would have to admit that the doctrine involves some parts of the scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay I hear you

Let me put it this way, he probably asked difficult questions proving the Calvinist system to be infallible.
Both doctrines are infallible as they don't consider the whole counsel of God. It's beyond human comprehension to reach that level.
The arminium system is also infallible and if given difficult questions one would have to admit that the doctrine involves some parts of the scripture.

I am not calvinist

i am not arminian

if he is here to argue against calvinist views. Well there are very few calvinists here. And I have not seen them lately.

the problem with the not of works/osas debate is it appears it is anti calvinism that is being argued. Which is why for the most part they can not hear those of us who preach eternal security. Because they are to busy fighting calvinism.

 

[Pulie]

I am not calvinist

i am not arminian

if he is here to argue against calvinist views. Well there are very few calvinists here. And I have not seen them lately.

the problem with the not of works/osas debate is it appears it is anti calvinism that is being argued. Which is why for the most part they can not hear those of us who preach eternal security. Because they are to busy fighting calvinism.

I thought the OSAS doctrine is a branch of Calvinism. It seems to be in harmony with it. Well I stand to be corrected

 

[Pulie]

I am not calvinist

i am not arminian

if he is here to argue against calvinist views. Well there are very few calvinists here. And I have not seen them lately.

the problem with the not of works/osas debate is it appears it is anti calvinism that is being argued. Which is why for the most part they can not hear those of us who preach eternal security. Because they are to busy fighting calvinism.

Please allow me to ask you the following questions, they will tell if your views lean more towards Calvinism or Arminianism:

Do you believe that God chooses some to be saved and leaves others to go and burn in hell?
Do you believe that Jesus only died for those whom God has chosen according to His sovereign will?

 

[Judges1318]

If the biblical definition of faith includes the conviction, which to me constitutes belief, that the assurance from God is true, then someone who doesn’t have that conviction never satisfies the biblical definition of having faith.

Correct, that 'someone' doesn't satisfy the definition of having faith. They don't have it because they've rejected it, not because God didn't convict them. God calls them to himself through the conviction of faith but instead of allowing that conviction of faith to lead them to believing/trusting in Christ they reject it instead.

To 'have' faith means to accept the convicting testimony of the Holy Spirit. That's what the believer does. He accepts the faith God is giving to believe and be saved. God presents the unbeliever with the faith to believe, too, but they reject it, not accept it. As a result they do not have faith. How can they? They've rejected it.

 

[Judges1318]

I thought the OSAS doctrine is a branch of Calvinism.

It is. It comes from the 'P' in TULIP.

Now we have the new osas to contend with.
In it, you don't even have to keep believing to remain saved.
Calvin didn't even believe that!

 

[mailmandan]

I am not calvinist

i am not arminian

if he is here to argue against calvinist views. Well there are very few calvinists here. And I have not seen them lately.

the problem with the not of works/osas debate is it appears it is anti calvinism that is being argued. Which is why for the most part they can not hear those of us who preach eternal security. Because they are to busy fighting calvinism.

Some of us have a balanced view instead of the two extremes of Calvinism and Arminianism. The alternate view does not discount certain truths from both sides, but considers the full spectrum of truth in a more balanced and well rounded way.

 

[Duskey]

It is. It comes from the 'P' in TULIP.

Now we have the new osas to contend with.
In it, you don't even have to keep believing to remain saved.
Calvin didn't even believe that!

I believe in eternal security and despise calvinism. I won’t even dignify it with capitalization.

 

[Judges1318]

Well, his insistence on redefining FAITH contrary to the dictionary has me leaning more and more to your point of view.

Your definition of faith was fine except that it defined 'having' faith in regard to the world's blind, presumptuous faith, not the assurance of faith that can 'see' found in the Bible. We can review Romans 12 again anytime you want using your definition of faith.

That, plus a significant proportion of people posting with a view similar to yours has me 'on guard'.

Of course they are. We're talking about centuries of spirit-less indoctrination of the church here. It's not going to get corrected over night. In fact, I'm convinced the church as a whole won't change anything, only get worse (i.e. Freegrace doctrine). The truth is for a few who will not be overcome by the church of the world.

Just look at the example of tithing. The truth of how to tithe is right under our noses in the OT but when I show people your church has not been teaching you correctly about it, it falls on deaf ears, yet the plain words are right there for anyone to read. I can stay cool about this because I'm resigned to the truth that most people are very hardened and resistant to anything outside of their little doctrinal boxes they've built around themselves. I was there once, too, to some extent. I'm not bashing people. It's just the way it is. God knows it, and now I know it. And I respond accordingly.

Hopefully, this is not an unfair "pile on Judges" thing going on.

It is a pile on, but I know (now) how this works.
We have the scriptures to show how no one who's going to stick their neck out for the truth is going to be received very well. But in the end the secret work of God is being accomplished nonetheless. No one can stop it.