"Not by works" - false!
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Do Christians have a duty to keep God's commandments?Wonderful to see so many X symbols under this works salvation pushing post..
John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind".
What will happen to them?
They will be punished by God, they will fall sick, they will lose their salvation?
See the OP.
Is it not the case that any sins that are not covered by Jesus' blood are seen by God?
My Bible tells me this in Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
The Hebrew word for covered there means "completely wrapped up".
That means my spirit has been imputed with Jesus's righteousness such that, no matter which angle God looks at me, he only sees the perfect obedience of Jesus.
Thus, no, God does not see any sin when he looks at me.
Yes, but we're talking about when a Christian habitually wilfully sins.
Hebrews 10:26 tells us that no sacrifice will cover those sins:
Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins"
As an aside, I don't know why I've come under so much flak simply for saying that Christians should keep God's commandments:
John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind".
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EleventhHour
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Well, yes, but you are very unclear in what you say . . . when you say we need to keep God's commandments that is very different than saying it is our duty to keep God's commandments -- at least I understand those two ways of saying it very differently.
It is our duty to keep God's commandments:
Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind".
I'm saying we need to do it because that's what God has told us to do.
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eternally-gratefull
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All manner of sin and Blasphemy WILL BE FORGIVEN MEN.
Those are Jesus words.. Maybe you should listen
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eternally-gratefull
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eternally-gratefull
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Your coming under flak because you make it a requirement to stay saved.
And not a result of being saved
But when you say we need to do it - that implies to most people that you need to do the works to be saved . . .
And now you have: faith + works = salvation That is heresy
You are getting a huge reaction here from people who believe in eternal security (once saved, always saved). Anything to do with works being connected to salvation will get a reaction from many of them.
I do not believe in OSAS. I believe we are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Works are a beautiful product of God working in our lives. But it is not "automatic." We have the privilege of working hard, sweating, and laboring for God's kingdom and it takes effort, discipline, guts, and fighting! PTL!
And now you have: faith + works = salvation That is heresy
You are getting a huge reaction here from people who believe in eternal security (once saved, always saved). Anything to do with works being connected to salvation will get a reaction from many of them.
I do not believe in OSAS. I believe we are saved by grace through faith and we stay saved by grace through faith. Works are a beautiful product of God working in our lives. But it is not "automatic." We have the privilege of working hard, sweating, and laboring for God's kingdom and it takes effort, discipline, guts, and fighting! PTL!
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eternally-gratefull
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And how do you do it? Where do you get the power?
And what is Gods requirement What is considered obedience vs disobedience?
I would just say: "We do it because of what God has told us to do"
Yes and that is called "type 2 works salvation."