No 'But '

[throughfaith]

I don't believe that there is a scripture that says that. Eph 2:1 says the sins are removed by the quickening.

Sins are dealt with at the cross .

 

[Scribe]

Are you saying there is no transitions in the book of Acts ( Acts of the apostles ) ? Are you saying Peter always understood the message to the gentiles ? Did all the hearers understand or was a council needed ? Was there a apostle to the Gentiles before Paul . Was Paul with Peter in Acts 2 ? Was Jesus still with the 12 in Acts 3 ? Are all 29 conversion accounts in the Acts of the apostles the same ? is laying on of hands necessary for salvation ? baptism ? Just believing no repentence ? no believing mentioned just repentance? Does Luke understand the Gospel as we know it before the cross ? did Peter understand the Gospel Before luke 24 ? Did any of the disciples understand the Gospel as we know it before the end of luke ? . Im sure you have thought about all of these things at your 'church of the book of Acts ' .

None of this changes the scripture I posted from Acts. There are plenty of other scriptures on the necessity of repentance in other New Testament books you accept as doctrine but I know I would be wasting my time in posting them as you are already too invested and are willing to create strange excuses to discount or twist any verse of scripture that clearly demonstrates that repentance is required.

Usually this kind of false doctrine is associated with a pet sin someone does not want to give up. There was a preacher in Dallas on the radio that used to teach a similar message and he got arrested picking up prostitutes in the red light district. His radio program did not survive after that. No one really cared about his spin on repentance not being necessary after that because they realized he was just using it to justify his sinful life.

 

[throughfaith]

None of this changes the scripture I posted from Acts. There are plenty of other scriptures on the necessity of repentance in other New Testament books you accept as doctrine but I know I would be wasting my time in posting them as you are already too invested and are willing to create strange excuses to discount or twist any verse of scripture that clearly demonstrates that repentance is required.

Usually this kind of false doctrine is associated with a pet sin someone does not want to give up. There was a preacher in Dallas on the radio that used to teach a similar message and he got arrested picking up prostitutes in the red light district. His radio program did not survive after that. No one really cared about his spin on repentance not being necessary after that because they realized he was just using it to justify his sinful life.

I've not said once that changing your mind is not Necessary .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Are we not made alive as a sinner ? its seems as if ' made alive ' implies that we go from ' dead ' to ' alive ' but not in the Calvinist sense . But simply as sinners we believe the Gospel and then we are made alive through regeneration.

We are made alive spiritually by the process of regeneration, not by believing in spiritual things before we are regenerated. The natural man does not have the ability to believe in spiritual things before he has been regenerated. You are ignoring Eph 2:1.

 

[throughfaith]

None of this changes the scripture I posted from Acts. There are plenty of other scriptures on the necessity of repentance in other New Testament books you accept as doctrine but I know I would be wasting my time in posting them as you are already too invested and are willing to create strange excuses to discount or twist any verse of scripture that clearly demonstrates that repentance is required.

Usually this kind of false doctrine is associated with a pet sin someone does not want to give up. There was a preacher in Dallas on the radio that used to teach a similar message and he got arrested picking up prostitutes in the red light district. His radio program did not survive after that. No one really cared about his spin on repentance not being necessary after that because they realized he was just using it to justify his sinful life.

There are plenty of accounts of people who hold to works salvation who mess up also .

 

[throughfaith]

We are made alive spiritually by the process of regeneration, not by believing in spiritual things before we are regenerated. The natural man does not have the ability to believe in spiritual things before he has been regenerated. You are ignoring Eph 2:1.

Quite clearly believers are unable to understand spiritual things . like Calvinists who can no longer believe the simple message of the gospel .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

///Hello throughfaith, I agree that the devil is very good at what he does (sadly), but the point I was trying to make is that you typically blame Calvinism for teaching things that everyone else in the church believes/teaches, things that are, in fact, taught plainly in the Bible (which is why they are taught by all within orthodox Christianity, not just by Calvinists).//// The 5 points of Calvinism are obviously not taught across all of Christianity . Especially " regeneration precedes Faith '

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given in the process of regeneration, and spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22. Regeneration does precede spiritual faith. The natural man, before regeneration only has the faith of man, and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith. The scriptures prove this.

 

[throughfaith]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given in the process of regeneration, and spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22. Regeneration does precede spiritual faith. The natural man, before regeneration only has the faith of man, and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith. The scriptures prove this.

Ok what you have is called ' deductive reasoning ' . You cannot arrive at what you believe with what the bible actually says . ' inductive reasoning.
This is the order . 13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Eph 1 .
This is what the bible says.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Wow, modern day phariseeism at its finest.

we must maintain our salvation by works. This is why A lot of people boast Yet can not hear their own pride in how they “help God” in their salvation

In this statement, you are right "we must (try to) maintain the salvation(that has been given us,) by our works (of repentance) ro regain our fellowship with God, when we commit a sin.

 

[throughfaith]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given in the process of regeneration, and spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22. Regeneration does precede spiritual faith. The natural man, before regeneration only has the faith of man, and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith. The scriptures prove this.

What Calv is built on is deductive reasoning . It goes like this . ' well we know man is totally depraved so we need to figure out

None of this changes the scripture I posted from Acts. There are plenty of other scriptures on the necessity of repentance in other New Testament books you accept as doctrine but I know I would be wasting my time in posting them as you are already too invested and are willing to create strange excuses to discount or twist any verse of scripture that clearly demonstrates that repentance is required.

Usually this kind of false doctrine is associated with a pet sin someone does not want to give up. There was a preacher in Dallas on the radio that used to teach a similar message and he got arrested picking up prostitutes in the red light district. His radio program did not survive after that. No one really cared about his spin on repentance not being necessary after that because they realized he was just using it to justify his sinful life.

We've got whole denominations who base their entire theology on the book of Acts . Mainly Acts 2 . The book has 28 chapters with nothing normative in each chapter . Go figure .

 

[throughfaith]

We are made alive spiritually by the process of regeneration, not by believing in spiritual things before we are regenerated. The natural man does not have the ability to believe in spiritual things before he has been regenerated. You are ignoring Eph 2:1.

The problem you have with this ' natural man ' cannot believe the Gospel theology is that its clear " believers cannot understand the things of the Spirit as mentioned also further in chapter 3 . These believers because Of behaving and thinking fleshy, they are yet unable to understand spiritual truths paul can speak among the Mature . ( 1cor 2.6 ) So its a redundant point to hang your hat on a verse that does not say ' people without the Holy Spirit cannot believe the Gospel . This is eiesiges.

 

[jackrosie]

We are made alive spiritually by the process of regeneration, not by believing in spiritual things before we are regenerated. The natural man does not have the ability to believe in spiritual things before he has been regenerated. You are ignoring Eph 2:1.

Amen!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would say 'How can I change my mind about my need of a savior if I don't change my mind about sin . ' I need to understand why Jesus died for my sins and how Jesus died for my sins to be saved . We then go preach to others this good news as to how they also can recieve .

Hence why we have to be convicted of sin. So we can have the ability to change our view

 

[throughfaith]

Hence why we have to be convicted of sin. So we can have the ability to change our view

Sin ,because they believe not in me . Yes

 

[EleventhHour]

Sin ,because they believe not in me . Yes

Amen.. not the individual sins, the sin of missing the mark and unbelief

 

[EleventhHour]

None of this changes the scripture I posted from Acts. There are plenty of other scriptures on the necessity of repentance in other New Testament books you accept as doctrine but I know I would be wasting my time in posting them as you are already too invested and are willing to create strange excuses to discount or twist any verse of scripture that clearly demonstrates that repentance is required.

Usually this kind of false doctrine is associated with a pet sin someone does not want to give up. There was a preacher in Dallas on the radio that used to teach a similar message and he got arrested picking up prostitutes in the red light district. His radio program did not survive after that. No one really cared about his spin on repentance not being necessary after that because they realized he was just using it to justify his sinful life.

Contrition for sin does not mean one stops doing that sin either.

The meaning of "metanoia" is clear it is to turn away from one mindset towards another.

The context determines what one is turning from and towards.

This is not just biblical word it is found in secular Greek writings as well and the etymology and the meaning is clear.

 

[soggykitten]

This is just one of the statements in that article.

////so just what defines faith? Our response. Our obedience. Our works. I don’t believe works that are empowered by God’s grace are simply an “expected outcome” for one who comes to Jesus. (Have you ever met someone who “got saved” and still struggles with obedience?) I believe they are an integral, strategic part of the salvation process. God’s grace and our response are both key.

And, yes, I’ll agree to a point that you are probably thinking about right now. Consecration takes time. However, I believe a repeated failure at consecration can threaten our justification. We can’t take God’s calls to obedience and works lightly. Faith is not enough.///// False .

I have no intention of arguing with you concerning your personal theology. I will say as a last input on this talk between the two of us that it will always be a struggle for anyone who claims Christ to think they have to labor, work, obey, in whatever definition they apply to that word, in order to stay saved. It isn't Biblical but it is a choice.

 

[soggykitten]

This article is the same false message that is being peddled across christianity.
This Article is preaching a false Gospel . no mistake.

Prove that please. Point for point as pertains to the article and your finding of verses that prove what is written in the article is false. Making an assertion twice as you have without proof does not make the article become what you claim without proof backing your claim.
Thanks again.

 

[soggykitten]

Works are what is done after salvation not for it .

As scriptures that have been proven show, yes. Why do you argue with what is actually in agreement with some of the things you've said?

 

[throughfaith]

As scriptures that have been proven show, yes. Why do you argue with what is actually in agreement with some

I have no intention of arguing with you concerning your personal theology. I will say as a last input on this talk between the two of us that it will always be a struggle for anyone who claims Christ to think they have to labor, work, obey, in whatever definition they apply to that word, in order to stay saved. It isn't Biblical but it is a choice.

The above is a quote from the article you gave ?