Name It and Claim It
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""63 Bible results for “Sick.” Showing results 1-63.""
I took a look at them as apposed to the forbidden healing verses.
Looks like Jesus went about healing them all.
I could not find him putting sickness on anyone
Hmmmm.
What was that again about Jesus not healing his children?
""63 Bible results for “Sick.” Showing results 1-63.""
I took a look at them as apposed to the forbidden healing verses.
Looks like Jesus went about healing them all.
I could not find him putting sickness on anyone
Hmmmm.
What was that again about Jesus not healing his children?
Do you ever answer a question directly? Apparently not.
Lets play it out.
A believer goes to a hospital and all are healed.
A believer goes and a few are healed.
A believer goes and none are healed.
Your model is only " all are healed"
(Which you would lean in that direction sarcatically)
We both know that is unlikely.
Now,you are taking that model,and forming your position. Not on verses. Not on Gods heart,but your belief.
You believe God will heal some but not all,right?
Now apply it to salvation. Another work of the cross.
That dog wont hunt
Yes.
But Jesus usually answered indirectly.
So much of his dialog was illustrative.
He showed them mostly as opposed to telling them.
He spoke freely to those receptive.
But used detractors own folly to illustrate their rabbit Trails.
The problem I see is that
I'm just trying to understand what you actually believe. You can pray for people to be healed, and they'll always be healed, or just sometimes? If you believe the latter, then I have no issue with your belief, and just misunderstood your stance.
I believe healing is part of the atonement as the bible teaches.
Now,why is it we see so little of healing like in the nt?
That is the question,and it is a very good question.
There are answers.
It is a timing thing. Healing and salvation both are acceptable and can be sought after. It is in prophecy that most will not have salvation in this dispensation. Only those in the first-fruits church are offered salvation. Healing can be granted or withheld to further promote spiritual growth.
The gospel of the Kingdom of God lays out God's salvation plan for mankind. Christ is the very first-fruit resurrected. The rest of the first-fruits church will be resurrected at His second coming.
1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
Today, most are promoting a gospel about the life and death of Christ Himself and not the gospel about God's Kingdom. In other words, not His message but a message about Him. That is why most are lost in the confusion. Antichrist has had his way with the majority of mainstream Christians all the way back to the first century.
I know what the Bible teaches about healing. I just cant find your Position. And it seems you cant show me where the writers of the NT taught this to the church.
You put Salvation and physical healing in one pot. I cant find this in any teaching of the NT writer!
I did not forget, just did not list it....and for sure the boat was not his....maybe Peter's fishing boat haha Funny thing...another example of don't judge a book by it's cover....while not owning anything he owned it all....haha
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hahahaha O really,
though I think Jesus traveled in many ways, by foot, boat, cart, donkey, horse, the same way others in those days traveled about.
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O yea and he did own a seamless robe, woven in one piece from top to bottom." a seamless robe was a precious item in those days, It's no wonder the soldiers gambled for it, it was a valuable piece of clothing.
Source?? This is a non-Biblical assumption. Meaning, we have no idea if in fact, it was something a rich man wore, or if it was Jesus' only possession.
Maybe his mother or aunt made it for him. Or maybe one of the women who followed Jesus and supported his ministry gave it to Jesus, knowing that many times, "He had no place to lay his head."
Israel gets cold in the winter, and even snows in the mountains. So, a good warm garment is essential for someone who was constantly going from Jerusalem to Galilee and back.
You have just held up Jesus as a rich man because of his chiton, or robe, when Scripture is silent on why Jesus came to have this garment. That is called being extra biblical, which is a typical tactic of Word Faith people, who don't know their Bibles, and only listen to the lying evangelists who try and get them to donate more, with this unbiblical nonsense. And only the preacher is getting rich!
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of coarse scripture is silent about how he came to own it that’s a no brainer, maybe he built a shed for someone and they give it to him.
why do you think the soldiers wanted the one piece tunic? cause he was Jesus no because it had worth.
you make the statement he had no place to rest his head, that is in the latter stages, once his fame grow, he often went to the wilderness, he did stay with people in their houses Simon peter’s mother law is one example early in morning he got up and left to prey.
you smart I’ll give you that but sometimes I think your wisdom gets the best of you.
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And I am not word faith don’t imply I am, I don’t know what that garbage was at the end, why you felt a need say that to me.
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Excellent point. Pity your critics do not realized that, when it comes to trusting God for salvation after they declare Jesus as the Lord and believe in his resurrection, they only have the Word of God to rely on.
No one can "feel in their body or emotions" that they are saved. But every church will teach, "Simply trust in the Word of God that says you are saved after praying to receive Jesus as your Lord". So they grew up being established in that truth that, "Since the Word of God says I am saved, then I am saved!"
But when it comes to physical healing, they are so eager to dismiss the Word of God that says they are healed by the stripes of Jesus, and state "But I am not healed! My body tells me that I am not healed! Therefore I cannot be healed!"
Even if people put NT scriptures out, you will dismiss the healing as "spiritual healing".
The point is that, for many of us, including myself, we have already made up our mind on doctrine, and we thus interpret scriptures according to that belief.
Yep, man made doctrine. Thats your choice, but not the truth.Even if people put NT scriptures out, you will dismiss the healing as "spiritual healing".
The point is that, for many of us, including myself, we have already made up our mind on doctrine, and we thus interpret scriptures according to that belief.