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Lets play it out.
A believer goes to a hospital and all are healed.
A believer goes and a few are healed.
A believer goes and none are healed.
Your model is only " all are healed"
(Which you would lean in that direction sarcatically)
We both know that is unlikely.
Now,you are taking that model,and forming your position. Not on verses. Not on Gods heart,but your belief.
You believe God will heal some but not all,right?
Now apply it to salvation. Another work of the cross.
That dog wont hunt
A believer goes to a hospital and all are healed.
A believer goes and a few are healed.
A believer goes and none are healed.
Your model is only " all are healed"
(Which you would lean in that direction sarcatically)
We both know that is unlikely.
Now,you are taking that model,and forming your position. Not on verses. Not on Gods heart,but your belief.
You believe God will heal some but not all,right?
Now apply it to salvation. Another work of the cross.
That dog wont hunt
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It is a timing thing. Healing and salvation both are acceptable and can be sought after. It is in prophecy that most will not have salvation in this dispensation. Only those in the first-fruits church are offered salvation. Healing can be granted or withheld to further promote spiritual growth.
The gospel of the Kingdom of God lays out God's salvation plan for mankind. Christ is the very first-fruit resurrected. The rest of the first-fruits church will be resurrected at His second coming.
1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
Today, most are promoting a gospel about the life and death of Christ Himself and not the gospel about God's Kingdom. In other words, not His message but a message about Him. That is why most are lost in the confusion. Antichrist has had his way with the majority of mainstream Christians all the way back to the first century.
The gospel of the Kingdom of God lays out God's salvation plan for mankind. Christ is the very first-fruit resurrected. The rest of the first-fruits church will be resurrected at His second coming.
1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."
Today, most are promoting a gospel about the life and death of Christ Himself and not the gospel about God's Kingdom. In other words, not His message but a message about Him. That is why most are lost in the confusion. Antichrist has had his way with the majority of mainstream Christians all the way back to the first century.
Source?? This is a non-Biblical assumption. Meaning, we have no idea if in fact, it was something a rich man wore, or if it was Jesus' only possession.
Maybe his mother or aunt made it for him. Or maybe one of the women who followed Jesus and supported his ministry gave it to Jesus, knowing that many times, "He had no place to lay his head."
Israel gets cold in the winter, and even snows in the mountains. So, a good warm garment is essential for someone who was constantly going from Jerusalem to Galilee and back.
You have just held up Jesus as a rich man because of his chiton, or robe, when Scripture is silent on why Jesus came to have this garment. That is called being extra biblical, which is a typical tactic of Word Faith people, who don't know their Bibles, and only listen to the lying evangelists who try and get them to donate more, with this unbiblical nonsense. And only the preacher is getting rich!
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of coarse scripture is silent about how he came to own it that’s a no brainer, maybe he built a shed for someone and they give it to him.
why do you think the soldiers wanted the one piece tunic? cause he was Jesus no because it had worth.
you make the statement he had no place to rest his head, that is in the latter stages, once his fame grow, he often went to the wilderness, he did stay with people in their houses Simon peter’s mother law is one example early in morning he got up and left to prey.
you smart I’ll give you that but sometimes I think your wisdom gets the best of you.
why do you think the soldiers wanted the one piece tunic? cause he was Jesus no because it had worth.
you make the statement he had no place to rest his head, that is in the latter stages, once his fame grow, he often went to the wilderness, he did stay with people in their houses Simon peter’s mother law is one example early in morning he got up and left to prey.
you smart I’ll give you that but sometimes I think your wisdom gets the best of you.
Excellent point. Pity your critics do not realized that, when it comes to trusting God for salvation after they declare Jesus as the Lord and believe in his resurrection, they only have the Word of God to rely on.
No one can "feel in their body or emotions" that they are saved. But every church will teach, "Simply trust in the Word of God that says you are saved after praying to receive Jesus as your Lord". So they grew up being established in that truth that, "Since the Word of God says I am saved, then I am saved!"
But when it comes to physical healing, they are so eager to dismiss the Word of God that says they are healed by the stripes of Jesus, and state "But I am not healed! My body tells me that I am not healed! Therefore I cannot be healed!"
No one can "feel in their body or emotions" that they are saved. But every church will teach, "Simply trust in the Word of God that says you are saved after praying to receive Jesus as your Lord". So they grew up being established in that truth that, "Since the Word of God says I am saved, then I am saved!"
But when it comes to physical healing, they are so eager to dismiss the Word of God that says they are healed by the stripes of Jesus, and state "But I am not healed! My body tells me that I am not healed! Therefore I cannot be healed!"
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Even if people put NT scriptures out, you will dismiss the healing as "spiritual healing".
The point is that, for many of us, including myself, we have already made up our mind on doctrine, and we thus interpret scriptures according to that belief.
The point is that, for many of us, including myself, we have already made up our mind on doctrine, and we thus interpret scriptures according to that belief.
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