Muslim Religion

[Bowman]

Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, so it accepts that he has a divine purpose, i.e. is anointed. i.e. is a Christ.

Correct, they do not understand Christ's deity, and therefore blaspheme Jesus..

The saddest part of the whole thing is that the Koran was written around the Biblical Jesus Christ to begin with, and repeatedly proclaims His divinity.

Just like the Jews, they cannot see the forest for the trees....and try to convince others of their false worldview...

 

[Bowman]

I have used the term mirage, because most of the Koran is open ended and confusing.

Most of the Koran was paraphrased from the Holy Bible, out of order, and set to rhyme in Arabic...that is why it seems so confusing to most people.

 

[Bowman]

I'd like to see you back that up with some quaranic scripture that describes the deity of Christ.

فصل لربك وانحر

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

 

[peacenik]

Yes, because you continue to make the claim Muslims believe in Christ even though all of their scriptures tell you differently. Then you try to turn it around on me to take the light off yourself by saying "you support the Jews, ooooooh".

And yup, once again they use that word but it does not mean the same thing to them.

But okay, peacenik, go ahead and base your views on Islam on your own personal feelings over the quran, the hadiths, Muhammad and his followers, and even every Muslim. You do know better, Im sure.

Also, this is a thread about Islam. Not about others. That is why. Its a very easy answer.

It is quite clear that some of the professing Christians in this forum have great hatred for Muslims. This brings up a thought that has been discussed on other forums, usually liberal types. And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists:


CHILLING PARALLELS


Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists - They're Pretty Much Exactly the Same




Two of a kind. That is why all the hate and prejudice shown on this forum does not surprise me in the least.

 

[Desdichado]

It is quite clear that some of the professing Christians in this forum have great hatred for Muslims. This brings up a thought that has been discussed on other forums, usually liberal types. And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists:


CHILLING PARALLELS


Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists - They're Pretty Much Exactly the Same




Two of a kind. That is why all the hate and prejudice shown on this forum does not surprise me in the least.

We all do live in fear of the Methodist Front of Missouri bombing an airport.

 

[peacenik]

We all do live in fear of the Methodist Front of Missouri bombing an airport.

I attended a law school that had formerly been a Methodist school. This was the most crooked institution I ever saw - even worse than Scientology.

 

[JosephsDreams]

It is quite clear that some of the professing Christians in this forum have great hatred for Muslims. This brings up a thought that has been discussed on other forums, usually liberal types. And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists:


CHILLING PARALLELS


Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists - They're Pretty Much Exactly the Same




Two of a kind. That is why all the hate and prejudice shown on this forum does not surprise me in the least.

How do you define a radical jihadist? How does the Koran define it? Does the Koran even define that phrase? Do you know?

 

[ZEEK]

Islam in no way pretends or claims to be part of the Church. So we cannot really call it heretical or false doctrine.

Zionism however has infiltrated the Church, which is why the Beast From The Earth can be correctly identified as (Christian) Zionism. The lamb with horns that speaks as a dragon.

Islam is described by Paul as blasphemous, this is because they do not represent Jesus as he is. Blasphemy being the false representation of God. Islam understands his divine authority, but not his divine nature.

[FONT=&quot]you, then, that teach others, will you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal?[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 You that forbid adultery, do you commit adultery? You that abhor idols, do you rob temples? [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 You that boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]24 For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even when Paul criticizes Islam, he is really turning the heat on Judaism. (Stealing, (usury), adultery (quickie marriages), Idolatry (homosexual behaviour). )

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]If Judaism represented God properly, then Islam would not exist. Islam was really created as a tonic to Jewish apostasy, which is why Islam detests homosexuality, usury, immorality, and why it demands charity to the widow and orphan.

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I have no real definition of Islam, as it is impossible to know what to believe in the age of mass media.
Most terrorist activity is sponsored by and comes out of the US and Israel. Isis is nothing to do with Islam, a fact that is transparently obvious given that ISIS routinely bombs Shia and Sunny Mosques, and goes nowhere near Israel. lol.

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[JosephsDreams]

How do you know most activity is sponsored by the US and Israel? Why do you say Isis has nothing to do with Islam?

 

[Sirk]

We all do live in fear of the Methodist Front of Missouri bombing an airport.

No kidding...up here we are waiting for the day a hoard of of protestants rape kill maim and destroy.

 

[Desdichado]

I attended a law school that had formerly been a Methodist school. This was the most crooked institution I ever saw - even worse than Scientology.

Sounds like a law school.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

فصل لربك وانحر

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The word lord refers to their god allah. Thats not a strong argument, unless it said "to your Lord Jesus Christ".

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

It is quite clear that some of the professing Christians in this forum have great hatred for Muslims. This brings up a thought that has been discussed on other forums, usually liberal types. And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists:


CHILLING PARALLELS


Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists - They're Pretty Much Exactly the Same




Two of a kind. That is why all the hate and prejudice shown on this forum does not surprise me in the least.

Oh my goodness, in what world is claiming that a belief system is wrong equal with hate?

We are talking about ISLAM. ISLAM IS NOT A PEOPLE. It is not that complicated, so please do not try to villain others for the sake of your argument.

Would you claim I hate Germans for being against Nazism?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

How do you know most activity is sponsored by the US and Israel? Why do you say Isis has nothing to do with Islam?

Well if you ignore all the verses to kill the unbeliever, strike off their necks and every finger tip of them, then I guess you could make the claim that ISIS is in no way related with Islam : p

 

[kaylagrl]

This brings up a thought that has been discussed on other forums, usually liberal types. And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists:


CHILLING PARALLELS


Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists - They're Pretty Much Exactly the Same




Two of a kind. That is why all the hate and prejudice shown on this forum does not surprise me in the least.

I'd really appreciate it if you'd post a quote below where anyone here said they hate Muslims.


Quote " And that is the close parallels between radical Jihadists and the right wing television evangelists"

I'm not falling for this one again. Every time I've checked your links they're from atheist sites. And I don't know many Christians that use atheist sites to make their points against other Christians. Just sayin.

Quote "Two of a kind. "

Is that your opinion,or did you get that from an atheist site? Either way,its an opinion.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Another point to "right wing Christians" being just as bad as "radical" Muslims, I judge Islam on its doctrines, in the quran and other scriptures they follow. And I can find many verses that say kill, fight, gather against, ambush ect ect.

You will not find these kinda verses in the Gospel. And even in the OT, people quote verses of putting certain people to death without using the whole bible to show the real meaning behind these teachings, "He who is without sin cast the first stone".

Someone can say "why not use that same standard with the quran", to that Id say, go ahead and prove how the quran doesnt really teach to kill and fight. I have seen many verses that make the literal command to fight, and to this day the only argument Ive seen against this fact is that we are taking "kill the unbelievers" out of context.
(and of course, when they make that claim, they dont prove it by showing context, they just tell you "context")

 

[Desdichado]

Another point to "right wing Christians" being just as bad as "radical" Muslims, I judge Islam on its doctrines, in the quran and other scriptures they follow. And I can find many verses that say kill, fight, gather against, ambush ect ect.

You will not find these kinda verses in the Gospel. And even in the OT, people quote verses of putting certain people to death without using the whole bible to show the real meaning behind these teachings, "He who is without sin cast the first stone".

Someone can say "why not use that same standard with the quran", to that Id say, go ahead and prove how the quran doesnt really teach to kill and fight. I have seen many verses that make the literal command to fight, and to this day the only argument Ive seen against this fact is that we are taking "kill the unbelievers" out of context.
(and of course, when they make that claim, they dont prove it by showing context, they just tell you "context")

I know it doesn't entirely follow according to the purest rules of logic (human behavior rarely does), but we can also look at immediate application.

Jesus didn't literally conquer the Sinai. Peter, following Jesus' teachings, didn't lead an army across North Africa. Thomas didn't bring a hoard to India. Andrew didn't crucify his enemies in the shape of an x.

What did the Muslims do with the direct influence of their prophet? What did they continue to do right after his death, following his example. It was not about conquering the grave, but bringing people closer to the grave.

Furthermore, Rightist Christians in the United States do their best, perhaps more than at any point in human history, to use the earliest of Christians as an example of right behavior. Is there a great degree of misunderstanding in that pursuit? Of course. Do they tend to non-contextualize Church history? Absolutely.

Few of them, however, seek to follow the example of the Medieval Church militant in the expansion of faith by the sword. Which makes the equating of them with fundamentalist Islam, well, insane.

 

[kaylagrl]

I know it doesn't entirely follow according to the purest rules of logic (human behavior rarely does), but we can also look at immediate application.

Jesus didn't literally conquer the Sinai. Peter, following Jesus' teachings, didn't lead an army across North Africa. Thomas didn't bring a hoard to India. Andrew didn't crucify his enemies in the shape of an x.

What did the Muslims do with the direct influence of their prophet? What did they continue to do right after his death, following his example. It was not about conquering the grave, but bringing people closer to the grave.

Furthermore, Rightist Christians in the United States do their best, perhaps more than at any point in human history, to use the earliest of Christians as an example of right behavior. Is there a great degree of misunderstanding in that pursuit? Of course. Do they tend to non-contextualize Church history? Absolutely.

Few of them, however, seek to follow the example of the Medieval Church militant in the expansion of faith by the sword. Which makes the equating of them with fundamentalist Islam, well, insane.

I cannot think of a better response than this. Just excellent.

 

[Bowman]

The word lord refers to their god allah. Thats not a strong argument, unless it said "to your Lord Jesus Christ".

The singular Lord is described via the following revealing term…





فصل لربك وانحر

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.


انحر= “inhar”

“inhar” definition:

Singular noun.Offer sacrifice; devote ones life for the humanity; place ones hand in prayer on the upper part of the chest.

It comes from the root “nahara” (nun-ha-ra), which means to slaughter, sacrifice, injure the jugular vein, put hand on the upper part of the chest; to sacrifice by cutting the jugular vein.He stabbed, or stuck a camel, or a beast, in the throat. He slew.

وانحر= “wa” +“inhar” =“wainhar” = and sacrifice

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, pp. 2774 – 2775
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 555
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 144
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 191


Occurrences of “wainhar” in the Koran: 1
Location: 108.2

Occurrences of the root “nahara” and its one derivative in the Koran: 1
Location: 108.2



Thus....obviously not about 'allah'.....rather, about the Biblical Jesus Christ.

 

[peacenik]

How do you define a radical jihadist? How does the Koran define it? Does the Koran even define that phrase? Do you know?

I am not sure that they accept the term "radical jihadist". Suffice it to say that they do not represent the Koran nor Islam.