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OK. But then you have to ask what is your Cannon. Is it say the Ethiopian Coptic cannon, the Eastern Orthodox cannon, the Roman cannon, or the Western cannon. Those are the different cannons in use by the Church. Which one is the correct one????
None of them.

The word is "canon".
 

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OK. But then you have to ask what is your Cannon. Is it say the Ethiopian Coptic cannon, the Eastern Orthodox cannon, the Roman cannon, or the Western cannon. Those are the different cannons in use by the Church. Which one is the correct one????
Just go with the 66 books and you'll be fine.
 
Just go with the 66 books and you'll be fine.
For Protestants, yes. But the other Christians have more Holy Scripture, that Protestants have found "less equal".
Protestants have removed such books from the earliest bibles such as:
The Epistle of Barnabas
The Sheperd of Hermas
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
1 Maccabees
and shortened the Book of Daniel, removing Bel & the Dragon.
I think Jude's letter (NT) quotes a 'second' cannon work
Because they felt that scripture was less than equal to the Protestant 66.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus
 
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For Protestants, yes. But the other Christians have more Holy Scripture, that Protestants have found "less equal".
Protestants have removed such books from the earliest bibles such as:
The Epistle of Barnabas
The Sheperd of Hermas
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
1 Maccabees
and shortened the Book of Daniel, removing Bel & the Dragon.
I think Jude's letter (NT) quotes a 'second' cannon work
Because they felt that scripture was less than equal to the Protestant 66.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus
You are mistaken once again. Those books were not removed.

According to historical accounts, the the apocryphal books were not accepted as inspired.
The Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical writings were preserved in the Catholic Bible but
not canonized in the Hebrew Bible due to a number of reasons, starting with their questionable authorship
or authenticity. They were all written during a time (400 years) between the two testaments when it was
acknowledged there were no prophets, and no direct revelation from God. The New Testament Jews never
included them in any Jewish collection of Scriptures, so contrary to people believing that books have been
removed from the Bible, the opposite is actually true: books have been added. During New Testament times,
without argument or qualification, a commonly understood body of books was in existence which the Jews
recognized to be the sacred and authorized Scriptures. What is known as the Apocrypha was not among them.


The Apocrypha contains a great variety of errors – historical, geographical, chronological, and moral,
and promotes doctrines which contradict the Bible. Without these apocryphal books, the Roman Catholic
Church would have absolutely NO support for their doctrines of purgatory, praying for the dead, and offering
sacrifices for the dead (indulgences was a significant reason for the reformation). The inclusion of the
Apocrypha in the original printing of the King James Bible was strictly for historical reasons.
 
You are mistaken once again. Those books were not removed.

According to historical accounts, the the apocryphal books were not accepted as inspired.
The Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical writings were preserved in the Catholic Bible but
not canonized in the Hebrew Bible due to a number of reasons, starting with their questionable authorship
or authenticity. They were all written during a time (400 years) between the two testaments when it was
acknowledged there were no prophets, and no direct revelation from God. The New Testament Jews never
included them in any Jewish collection of Scriptures, so contrary to people believing that books have been
removed from the Bible, the opposite is actually true: books have been added. During New Testament times,
without argument or qualification, a commonly understood body of books was in existence which the Jews
recognized to be the sacred and authorized Scriptures. What is known as the Apocrypha was not among them.


The Apocrypha contains a great variety of errors – historical, geographical, chronological, and moral,
and promotes doctrines which contradict the Bible. Without these apocryphal books, the Roman Catholic
Church would have absolutely NO support for their doctrines of purgatory, praying for the dead, and offering
sacrifices for the dead (indulgences was a significant reason for the reformation). The inclusion of the
Apocrypha in the original printing of the King James Bible was strictly for historical reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Canons_of_various_Christian_traditions
This article sums up the canon (Holy Scripture) of the different Christian traditions.
Not equal...
 
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Cameron143

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For Protestants, yes. But the other Christians have more Holy Scripture, that Protestants have found "less equal".
Protestants have removed such books from the earliest bibles such as:
The Epistle of Barnabas
The Sheperd of Hermas
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
1 Maccabees
and shortened the Book of Daniel, removing Bel & the Dragon.
I think Jude's letter (NT) quotes a 'second' cannon work
Because they felt that scripture was less than equal to the Protestant 66.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus
None of this has anything to do with whether or not scripture, whatever you believe should be included, is written by inspiration or not.
 
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Jesus read from Scriptures. So did others.


Luke 4 verses 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
The Hebrew scrolls.
 

Magenta

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Maybe they were referring to the early converts to faith in Christ?

The good news was spread by word of mouth initially.
No, they specifically referenced Jesus using only word of mouth when He actually read from Scriptures, as did others.
 
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No, they specifically referenced Jesus using only word of mouth when He actually read from Scriptures, as did others.
Are you referring to the oral law and written law? If so that still is a on going debate in Israel today.