Loss of salvation???

[Ouch]

Hey there!

I am not dan but I think brother dan tries with his whole mind heart and soul to follow all of scripture as a whole, (acts included) and pair it with what the Holy Spirit shows him in his walk.

It appears to me those who said "Lord Lord" which our Lord never knew, seemingly showed their faith was in their own actions through their attempt at self justification through efforts.

When I will be justified, because my faith is in Christ I will in turn point to Him as my savior. My hope. My redemption.


I will be covered with the righteousness of Christ and seen as spotless because of His mercy and grace.

One would hope,

If you notice they did in fact do wonderful works, wonderful works is much more than attemting to do something.

To be spotless we have to be sin free, how do you think we get rid of our sins?

 

[ChrBrotherist]

One would hope,

If you notice they did in fact do wonderful works, wonderful works is much more than attemting to do something.

To be spotless we have to be sin free, how do you think we get rid of our sins?

1 peter 24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

romans 5 12- 19
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.



John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me

 

[Ouch]

1 peter 24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

romans 5 12- 19
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.



John 14:6: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me

My question was, how do you think we get rid of our sins?

So how? Read those scripture?

I will rephrase, what do we have to do to get rid or sins?

 

[ChrBrotherist]

My question was, how do you think we get rid of our sins?

So how? Read those scripture?

I will rephrase, what do we have to do to get rid or sins?

Get rid of sin?
No good work, or good deed "gets rid" of a bad deed or sin.

It takes God to make us whole.


If however you mean get rid of sin in our life, we lean on our Lord and ask for His direction.

We seek Him and His ways and conform to His image. We pray for deliverance to cast things aside when He doesn't want them in our lives. We ask Him to fill the void with opportunity to be useful to His kingdom.


It is by His power the scars of sin are healed, the wages of sin is paid and the act or desire of sin is destroyed and replaced with righteousness.

hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

 

[Ouch]

Get rid of sin?
No good work, or good deed "gets rid" of a bad deed or sin.

It takes God to make us whole.


If however you mean get rid of sin in our life, we lean on our Lord and ask for His direction.

We seek Him and His ways and conform to His image. We pray for deliverance to cast things aside when He doesn't want them in our lives. We ask Him to fill the void with opportunity to be useful to His kingdom.


It is by His power the scars of sin are healed, the wages of sin is paid and the act or desire of sin is destroyed and replaced with righteousness.

hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

What do you think these verses say and mean?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[ChrBrotherist]

What do you think these verses say and mean?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Individually they are part of larger messages.

They are not saying the action of water baptism washes away sins in either verse if that is what you're suggesting.


To repent is a change of mind, and a change of inner man. If one changes their mind, to place their faith in Christ, their inner man will change when God makes them new.

Calling on our Lord is an act of submission and getting baptized is not only an act of love and obedience but it is a representation to the world what God does for us.


matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

1 john
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”



These specific actions do not save for Jesus is the only way, but they are acts of obedience. We show our love through obedience to our Father.

 

[Ouch]

Individually they are part of larger messages.

They are not saying the action of water baptism washes away sins in either verse if that is what you're suggesting.


To repent is a change of mind, and a change of inner man. If one changes their mind, to place their faith in Christ, their inner man will change when God makes them new.

Calling on our Lord is an act of submission and getting baptized is not only an act of love and obedience but it is a representation to the world what God does for us.


matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

1 john
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”



These specific actions do not save for Jesus is the only way, but they are acts of obedience. We show our love through obedience to our Father.

No, that is exactly what they say.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

And a scripture that goes with it is JESUS saying in John 3:5,

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


SO according to JESUS NO ONE WILL ENTER HEAVEN without being born of the water AND of the spirit.

NEED BOTH TO BE REBORN!!!

Are you familiar with the story of John the baptist?

He was born 6 months before JESUS to prepare the way, he was a voice in the wilderness preaching,

Matthew 3,
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Jews traditions was the first son was named after the father so his name should have be Zechariah, check out that story.

But GOD wanted his name to be John, why?

What does the word John mean in Hebrew?

In Hebrew, the name John comes from Yochanan (יוֹחָנָן), meaning "God is gracious" or "Yahweh is gracious," combining "Yo/Yeho" (God's name) and "chanan" (to be gracious). It was a common Jewish name, made famous by figures like John the Baptist and the Apostle John, and spread through Latin (Iohannes) and Greek (Ioannis) forms.

Gracious, GOD GREACOULY GIVES US THE WATER to remove our sins.

You claim we have to be obedient but you are not if your not obeying what Peter said we have to do to get rid of our sins, WHY?

GOD does NOT hear sinners so when do we call upon HIS name?

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

When we repent it opens his ears and when we OBEY and get baptized calling on HIS name HE hears us that is when our sins are gone.

Look at a Acts 2:37 to 41, they were prick in the heart and asked WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Peter told them, they OBEYED and 3 thousand souls were added.

Acts 2:37-39
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Souls were not added before but after they OBEYED.

The book of Acts or I call it the book of Action, is the foundation for salivation the building of the church.

US being OBEDIENT to HIS word and being baptized in JESUS name is showing GOD our LOVE and that we trust HIM.

If we can get past how we get rid of our sins we can move on to the Holy Ghost which is promised to ALL and is also needed to be reborn.

Please consider HIS word the way it's written.

 

[mailmandan]

What do you think these verses say and mean?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) where forgiveness is explicitly tied to repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it. You are trying to turn a sign into a savior. You must look beyond your pet verses and consider the totality of scripture.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

In Acts 22:16, the cleansing happens as he calls on Christ, not by the water itself. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The remission of sins has three applications: 1. Literally, by the blood of Christ - Matthew 26:28 2. Experientially, by faith in Christ - Acts 26:18 3. Figuratively, by water baptism - Acts 22:16

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[mailmandan]

They are not saying the action of water baptism washes away sins in either verse if that is what you're suggesting.

That is exactly what he is suggesting. Ouch believes that one MUST be water baptized "in Jesus' name" ONLY or else one will NOT be saved. He teaches a "Oneness" doctrine emphasizing a single God manifested as Jesus Christ (non-Trinitarian) and requires water baptism in Jesus' name (only valid formula) and baptism of the Holy Spirit followed by speaking in tongues as ALL necessary for salvation.

 

[Ouch]

Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) where forgiveness is explicitly tied to repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it. You are trying to turn a sign into a savior. You must look beyond your pet verses and consider the totality of scripture.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

In Acts 22:16, the cleansing happens as he calls on Christ, not by the water itself. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The remission of sins has three applications: 1. Literally, by the blood of Christ - Matthew 26:28 2. Experientially, by faith in Christ - Acts 26:18 3. Figuratively, by water baptism - Acts 22:16

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

First, Acts 2:38 and 22:16 say what they say and mean what they mean. YOU SHOULD NOT MOCK GOD.

When we get baptized in JESUS name it is for removing our sins.

If we don't get baptized in JESUS to calling upon JESUS we have never got rid of our sins and are Hell bound....

SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN.

They ARE GODS WORD, not mine I'm just the one sharing them if you have a problem with them as you do it's with JESUS not me.

Luke 24:47 You can't see that verse is for the future and it was Acts 2;38 which in FACT does say baptism?

Acts 3:19 If you are converted then you would be baptized in JESUS name and your sins would be blotted out!

Acts 10:43 you didn't notice that they were COMMANDED to be BAPTIZED???

Acts 11:17 Peter is telling his fellow Jews what happened, AGAIN THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME.

Acts 13:38 what man preached how to get rid of sins, Peter in Acts 2:38 which was baptism.

Acts 15:7 Peter took the message to the gentiles AND WAS BAPTIZED in Acts 10.

Acts 16:30 if you believe in HIM like in Acts 2:37 you will obey and get baptized.

Acts 26:18 How do you get sanctified BY HIM?

Acts 22:16 STORY TIME. It says what it says and tells us how to get rid of sins, WHY DON'T YOU OBEY?

To receive remission of sins, we have to be baptized in JESUS name HIS WORD I DON'T CARE IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR OBEY IT, THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND HIM.


JESUS TALKING TO YOU.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Meaning if you believe YOU WILL BE BAPTIZED if you don't YOU WILL NOT BE.

You are more than welcome to read any article that man wright that you like, I WILL STICK WITH WHAT JESUS WROTE. No I didn't look at it.

What is logical is follow what JESUS said we much do, how much logic do you have?

SATAN'S PLAN KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WATER, Satan knows what happens in the water, so who are you following?

 

[ChrBrotherist]

Please consider HIS word the way it's written.

Oh I have. For many many years. I strongly disagree with your views, and as a child of God and someone who would rather be wrong and learn than act as if I knew something of myself I pray you come to the truth.

Almost every verse you shared, when in context are saying something different than what you believe.

For example:

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

(Jesus is using birth as an earthly example to help Nicodemus who didn't understand spiritual things and explaining a vital spiritual event to him)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

(Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus about being born of flesh/water two times instead of noticing the spiritual birth)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(still speaking of brith born of water = amniotic fluid =born of flesh and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(again further explaining the two births.... flesh = natural birth Spirit = born of God not water baptism)


7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again......

 

[Ouch]

Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) where forgiveness is explicitly tied to repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it. You are trying to turn a sign into a savior. You must look beyond your pet verses and consider the totality of scripture.

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

In Acts 22:16, the cleansing happens as he calls on Christ, not by the water itself. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The remission of sins has three applications: 1. Literally, by the blood of Christ - Matthew 26:28 2. Experientially, by faith in Christ - Acts 26:18 3. Figuratively, by water baptism - Acts 22:16

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

*So, the only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

Why don't you like the fact of how we are told to get rid of sins?

 

[Ouch]

Oh I have. For many many years. I strongly disagree with your views, and as a child of God and someone who would rather be wrong and learn than act as if I knew something of myself I pray you come to the truth.

Almost every verse you shared, when in context are saying something different than what you believe.

For example:

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

(Jesus is using birth as an earthly example to help Nicodemus who didn't understand spiritual things and explaining a vital spiritual event to him)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

(Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus about being born of flesh/water two times instead of noticing the spiritual birth)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(still speaking of brith born of water = amniotic fluid =born of flesh and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(again further explaining the two births.... flesh = natural birth Spirit = born of God not water baptism)


7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again......

Luck for me I didn't share my view BUT HIS WORD ONLY!!

Why do you think it's my view?

Why do you think being baptized in water to remove our sins is natural birth?

 

[mailmandan]

First, Acts 2:38 and 22:16 say what they say and mean what they mean. YOU SHOULD NOT MOCK GOD.

When we get baptized in JESUS name it is for removing our sins.

If we don't get baptized in JESUS to calling upon JESUS we have never got rid of our sins and are Hell bound....

SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN.

They ARE GODS WORD, not mine I'm just the one sharing them if you have a problem with them as you do it's with JESUS not me.

Luke 24:47 You can't see that verse is for the future and it was Acts 2;38 which in FACT does say baptism?

Acts 3:19 If you are converted then you would be baptized in JESUS name and your sins would be blotted out!

Acts 10:43 you didn't notice that they were COMMANDED to be BAPTIZED???

Acts 11:17 Peter is telling his fellow Jews what happened, AGAIN THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME.

Acts 13:38 what man preached how to get rid of sins, Peter in Acts 2:38 which was baptism.

Acts 15:7 Peter took the message to the gentiles AND WAS BAPTIZED in Acts 10.

Acts 16:30 if you believe in HIM like in Acts 2:37 you will obey and get baptized.

Acts 26:18 How do you get sanctified BY HIM?

Acts 22:16 STORY TIME. It says what it says and tells us how to get rid of sins, WHY DON'T YOU OBEY?

To receive remission of sins, we have to be baptized in JESUS name HIS WORD I DON'T CARE IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR OBEY IT, THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND HIM.

SATAN'S PLAN KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WATER, Satan knows what happens in the water, so who are you following?

Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 say what they mean in the immediate context and in context with the rest of scripture. I am not mocking God. Post #4,528 clearly refutes your false gospel. You have a problem with isolating pet verses then building doctrine on them without considering the totality of scripture. That is called flawed hermeneutics. Satan's plan is to get them to place their faith in the water god instead of the Savior God. Your try to turn a symbol into a savior.

JESUS TALKING TO YOU.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Meaning if you believe YOU WILL BE BAPTIZED if you don't YOU WILL NOT BE.

You are more than welcome to read any article that man wright that you like, I WILL STICK WITH WHAT JESUS WROTE. No I didn't look at it.

What is logical is follow what JESUS said we much do, how much logic do you have?

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned." If he who believes shall be saved, then he who believes and is baptized shall be saved as well. However, who is condemned? (John 3:18)

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It takes more than mere human logic to accept the things of the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14)

 

[Ouch]

Oh I have. For many many years. I strongly disagree with your views, and as a child of God and someone who would rather be wrong and learn than act as if I knew something of myself I pray you come to the truth.

Almost every verse you shared, when in context are saying something different than what you believe.

For example:

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

(Jesus is using birth as an earthly example to help Nicodemus who didn't understand spiritual things and explaining a vital spiritual event to him)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

(Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus about being born of flesh/water two times instead of noticing the spiritual birth)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(still speaking of brith born of water = amniotic fluid =born of flesh and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(again further explaining the two births.... flesh = natural birth Spirit = born of God not water baptism)


7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again......

Was JESUS born natualy?

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 

[mailmandan]

Why don't you like the fact of how we are told to get rid of sins?

I like it just fine. Fact - faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony* Why don't you like this fact? Because it leaves you no room to boast in your baptism?

 

[Ouch]

I like it just fine. Fact - faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony* Why don't you like this fact? Because it leaves you no room to boast in your baptism?

So Acts 2:38 22:16 is false gospel.

You have a problem with getting in the water, WHY?

Your problem is with JESUS and HIS instructions he left us, not with me.

Being baptized is only a part of salivation we also have to have the Holy Ghost .

How many times does it have to say baptized in HIS WORD??

Just tell me why don't you like HIS word and bing baptized in HIS name?

If you like it you will accept it.

Forget about your harmoning and your earthly logic, OBEY HIS WORD IF YOU WANT TO BE REBORN!!!

Choice is yours to make. Best of luck.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I like it just fine. Fact - faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony* Why don't you like this fact? Because it leaves you no room to boast in your baptism?[/QUOTE]

How can anyone think being obedient to God would incline someone to boast in their own righteousness? Mind boggling really.

I can see people who do works of fake righteousness boasting because those works are vain and receive no praise from God. But those who obey God get the witness in their spirit that they please God, and there is no need for, or even thought of, boasting in one's own efforts. Rather thankfulness

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I like it just fine. Fact - faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Why don't you like this fact? Because it leaves you no room to boast in your baptism?

How can anyone think being obedient to God would incline someone to boast in their own righteousness? Mind boggling really.

I can see people who do works of fake righteousness boasting because those works are vain and receive no praise from God. But those who obey God get the witness in their spirit that they please God, and there is no need for, or even thought of, boasting in one's own efforts. Rather thankfulness

 

[mailmandan]

So Acts 2:38 22:16 is false gospel.

Your misinterpretation of those verses culminates in a false gospel of salvation by water baptism. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

You have a problem with getting in the water, WHY?

I have no problem with getting in the water at all. I could not wait to get water baptized after I received Christ through faith and was saved.

Your problem is with JESUS and HIS instructions he left us, not with me.

Your problem is with your EISEGESIS.

Being baptized is only a part of salivation we also have to have the Holy Ghost .

Hmm.. no mention of repentance or faith. So, telling. It's all about baptism with you using a rigid formula followed by tongues. Oneness chaos.

How many times does it have to say baptized in HIS WORD??

You still don't understand the purpose of baptism. A symbol is not the reality but is a picture of the reality.

Just tell me why don't you like HIS word and bing baptized in HIS name?

If you like it you will accept it.

Forget about your harmoning and your earthly logic, OBEY HIS WORD IF YOU WANT TO BE REBORN!!!

Forget about harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine? This demonstrates that you reject the TOTALITY of scripture and only care about your pet verses. I already obeyed His word several years ago by choosing to believe the gospel and was reborn. (Acts 15:7-9; 1 Peter 1:23) Praise God!

Choice is yours to make. Best of luck.

I already made my choice to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16; 10:16) I don't need luck. I have Jesus Christ as my Savior. Now it's your turn to make that choice.