Loss of salvation???
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@Ouch
it would be useful for self contemplation so perhaps you might understand why there are so many ((baptized, Spirit filled)) Christians contending with your conversation; what their perspective is.
and overall it would be useful to bring this thread out of its deep detour back to its actual topic, the security of salvation.
so please, answer your own question:
what is the gospel?
it would be useful for self contemplation so perhaps you might understand why there are so many ((baptized, Spirit filled)) Christians contending with your conversation; what their perspective is.
and overall it would be useful to bring this thread out of its deep detour back to its actual topic, the security of salvation.
so please, answer your own question:
what is the gospel?
@Ouch
pertinent question, given your apparent definition of the gospel ((please feel absolutely free to give an answer to what-is-the-gospel at any time, in fact "always be ready to give an answer" in or out of season)):
in fact because i love you so much, i will also give you the answer:
John 15:3 + John 20:22
all that's left is for you to do the math
pertinent question, given your apparent definition of the gospel ((please feel absolutely free to give an answer to what-is-the-gospel at any time, in fact "always be ready to give an answer" in or out of season)):
- why does the Bible give no record whatsoever of any of the apoatles' baptism, save Paul, if indeed they were baptized at all?
in fact because i love you so much, i will also give you the answer:
John 15:3 + John 20:22
all that's left is for you to do the math
in the absence of his being able/willing to give a reason for his faith ((he having placed post on ig ore owing to his inability to answer post)), i will give what i surmise to be his gospel based on his conversation:
@Ouch please contradict my synopsis!!
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@Ouch please contradict my synopsis!!
i suppose if he really has me on his ignore list, i can speak freely. ((but post never gives up, he just gets busy and doesn't have time))
it really pains me that his experience was, reject the faith he had as a child, reject the obedient answer his heart had toward that faith, his first baptism, and start down this road of shallow understanding.
i do admire that he plods on unperturbed, tho.
he is faithful to what he felt.
it really pains me that his experience was, reject the faith he had as a child, reject the obedient answer his heart had toward that faith, his first baptism, and start down this road of shallow understanding.
i do admire that he plods on unperturbed, tho.
he is faithful to what he felt.
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2Sa 12:15
And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
[2Sa 12:16 KJV]
David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
[2Sa 12:17 KJV]
And the elders of his house arose, [and went] to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
[2Sa 12:18 KJV]
And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
[2Sa 12:19 KJV]
But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
[2Sa 12:20 KJV]
Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed [himself], and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
[2Sa 12:16 KJV]
David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.
[2Sa 12:17 KJV]
And the elders of his house arose, [and went] to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.
[2Sa 12:18 KJV]
And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
[2Sa 12:19 KJV]
But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
[2Sa 12:20 KJV]
Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed [himself], and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
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@Ouch
pertinent question, given your apparent definition of the gospel ((please feel absolutely free to give an answer to what-is-the-gospel at any time, in fact "always be ready to give an answer" in or out of season)):
in fact because i love you so much, i will also give you the answer:
John 15:3 + John 20:22
all that's left is for you to do the math
pertinent question, given your apparent definition of the gospel ((please feel absolutely free to give an answer to what-is-the-gospel at any time, in fact "always be ready to give an answer" in or out of season)):
- why does the Bible give no record whatsoever of any of the apoatles' baptism, save Paul, if indeed they were baptized at all?
in fact because i love you so much, i will also give you the answer:
John 15:3 + John 20:22
all that's left is for you to do the math
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
[Rom 4:21 KJV]
And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
[Rom 4:22 KJV]
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[Rom 4:23 KJV]
Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[Rom 4:24 KJV]
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[Rom 4:25 KJV]
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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The Roman Catholics superimpose the phrase "born of water" in order to compel their members to sprinkle babies. Many cults (ie Mormons), protestants( ie Apostolics, ect), and Church of Christ follow that tradition.
BORN of the flesh means physical birth.
Ask a mother if the baby was the only reason her womb was enlarged. Ask her what happened when contractions began. She will explain to any pope, pentecostal apostle or Mormon prophet what born of water means there.
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JESUS said born of water.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
He also using the word REBORN.
How can you be REBORN if not already born?
How can he expect you to OBEY what he says to do if you can't read his word, if you were not born you would not be able to?
This is what HE says we must do to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
No specific church, just HIS word.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
He also using the word REBORN.
How can you be REBORN if not already born?
How can he expect you to OBEY what he says to do if you can't read his word, if you were not born you would not be able to?
This is what HE says we must do to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
No specific church, just HIS word.
Sorry, but this makes no sense. If retention of salvation were a true requirement by way of our efforts (works), then works-based salvation would also be true. Paul said otherwise. He stated that we are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves lest any man should boast. Introducing works as a means for retaining salvation is an argument from silence because it is boasting in self.
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