Loss of salvation???
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For those who believe in loss of salvation at some elusive point of sin quantity and/or type, what is that threshold? Please enlighten us all. Who among us has become so pure in himself that he can say that he or she has indeed kept their salvation because of abstaining from sin? What's the threshold of righteousness for this retention if it's not Christ? We who are of HIS body can ALL say that we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, so what more could anyone do or be by any measure of effort?
This incessant jealousy over the idea that one is saved to the uttermost in Christ is quite a remarkable thing to watch being played out here. The horriffic cliche' festival that ensues from other false teaching pastors is also manic to say the least. The claim for loss of Salvation never includes an exhaustive and definitive line of demarcation whereby we can see where that precipice is located in this life. All that's ever provided is ethereal cosmetics over man's own works to try and make it look and sound spiritual rather than steeped in the usual fare of socially engineered intellect mired in the attire of paganism.
MM
This incessant jealousy over the idea that one is saved to the uttermost in Christ is quite a remarkable thing to watch being played out here. The horriffic cliche' festival that ensues from other false teaching pastors is also manic to say the least. The claim for loss of Salvation never includes an exhaustive and definitive line of demarcation whereby we can see where that precipice is located in this life. All that's ever provided is ethereal cosmetics over man's own works to try and make it look and sound spiritual rather than steeped in the usual fare of socially engineered intellect mired in the attire of paganism.
MM
To clarify, my Catholic heritage teaches that "born of water" means infant sprinkling (they call baptism).
I wasn't told until I was a certain age that I was begotten from my mother , not a stork, nor the basin of water 💦 the priest flicks upon the baby after it was born of it's...... mother's water filled womb.
They superimpose the phrase, out of context, "born of water" to mean spiritually born in a literal hidden symbolic but actually the FIRST birth of the child getting wet by way of the appointed authority, the RC priest who uses a special holy water to perform such a mystical "reality." It's as clear as mud. They call that a sacrament of which there are 7 or 8.
Some protestant founders were priests who held to that teaching even after leaving their Roman Catholicism. It's been ingrained ever since.
All of those activities are good deeds/ works by which we were taught have divine power to impart grace to those who take the effort to do them.
I repented (reconsidered and changed my mind) once I learned that salvation from Hell was by God's grace through faith in His only begotten Son......John 3:16. KJV
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2
Applied to me after repenting of works based ,(faith in water baptism), salvation....
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us."
Titus 3:5
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