Loss of salvation???
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That is my point, after the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, so are we. The water is used to identify us as one of His, and to proclaim to our community and the world that we have been raised from death to life.
John the Baptist says, “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I… He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire”
John the Baptist says, “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I… He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire”
So your saying that after this happens to us,
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Then the message they gave next has no importance?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Then the message they gave next has no importance?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
One of the best examples of Salvation I think is the passage in Exodus where the Israelites are instructed to put blood on the doorposts:
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
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not with water...
and there is only one faith, one baptism ((Ephesians 4:5))
the thread topic is security of salvation:
is the baptism with which Christ baptizes His sons and daughters, effective?
((Ephesians 1:13, Matthew 3:11))
or is it like the blood of bulls and goats ((Hebrews 10:4)) - unable to truly save?
((1 Corinthians 5:7))
and there is only one faith, one baptism ((Ephesians 4:5))
the thread topic is security of salvation:
is the baptism with which Christ baptizes His sons and daughters, effective?
((Ephesians 1:13, Matthew 3:11))
or is it like the blood of bulls and goats ((Hebrews 10:4)) - unable to truly save?
((1 Corinthians 5:7))
and you feel you are sent to preach baptism instead of Christ, to people who are already baptized?
i am not so sure you weren't drawn here to be corrected rather than to correct others, to say 'ouch' yourself rather than to cause others pain.
you say you had faith as a child and were baptized at an early age, then some 35 years or more later, a man convinced you that your existing faith and baptism were worthless - - and sent you on your current campaign to hold water above the effective work of God.
if, as you say, your first baptism was worthless - what prevents you from later deciding your second was also worthless?
i am not so sure you weren't drawn here to be corrected rather than to correct others, to say 'ouch' yourself rather than to cause others pain.
you say you had faith as a child and were baptized at an early age, then some 35 years or more later, a man convinced you that your existing faith and baptism were worthless - - and sent you on your current campaign to hold water above the effective work of God.
if, as you say, your first baptism was worthless - what prevents you from later deciding your second was also worthless?
1 Corinthians 13:8
whether there are tongues, they will cease
Matthew 12:39
An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Isaiah 30:15
In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.
But you would not
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One of the best examples of Salvation I think is the passage in Exodus where the Israelites are instructed to put blood on the doorposts:
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. (Exodus 12:13)
The only criteria for salvation was the presence or absence of the blood on the door post. Nothing else counted.
The only criteria for our Salvation is the blood of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
God Bless All
how about the serpent in the wilderness, when all they had to do, whether near or far, was look towards it? ((Numbers 21))
Christ says His salvation is exactly like it:
John 3:14-15
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
@Ouch BTW Jesus says this in the context of answering Nicodemus's question, "how can a man be reborn?" ((John 3:4,9))-
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the fact that i am the one who pointed out that Paul did in fact baptize people is a pretty good indication that i noticed Paul did in fact baptize people.
why would he take the Lords supper?
does eating bread and drinking wine give one eternal life?
we do these things because Christ told us we should do them - not because by them we have life. by Christ we have life, therefore we live.
why would he take the Lords supper?
does eating bread and drinking wine give one eternal life?
we do these things because Christ told us we should do them - not because by them we have life. by Christ we have life, therefore we live.
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to understand baptism, we really have to take every mention of water and washing in all the Scriptures, put them next to each other, and look for how they together form a portrait that testifies of Christ.
.. and that will just be a beginning. the Bible, the council of God, isn't 'simple' - - it's deeper than any of us can imagine
.. and that will just be a beginning. the Bible, the council of God, isn't 'simple' - - it's deeper than any of us can imagine
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