Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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You got to be kidding me, surely you don't believe this
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:30 KJV
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Revelation 2:16 KJV
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 3:19 KJV
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:30 KJV
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Revelation 2:16 KJV
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 3:19 KJV
1) Change your mind , break frame from the current set of proppersitions your holding, step back reconsider .
2) Change your mind , break frame from the current set of proppersitions your holding, step back reconsider .
3)Change your mind , break frame from the current set of proppersitions your holding, step back reconsider .
2) Change your mind , break frame from the current set of proppersitions your holding, step back reconsider .
3)Change your mind , break frame from the current set of proppersitions your holding, step back reconsider .
Do you not believe a drunkard needs to repent and turn from alcohol?
Do you not believe that a drug head needs to turn from drugs or is that also to much work?
Do you not believe a homosexual has to repent and turn from that wicked lifestyle or is that to much work?
Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain would say yes,after reading the Bible, but unfortunately this is were we are at in America with the church today that is loose as a goose and liberal as the day is long. Cant tell the church from the world anymore and it is because of liberal nonsense like this!!!
Wake up and pray through church!!! Stop looking for excuses to sin and sanctify yourself and the very God of peace shall sanctify you wholly
BTW i have considered....I counted the cost a long time ago...
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 6-8
Do you not believe that a drug head needs to turn from drugs or is that also to much work?
Do you not believe a homosexual has to repent and turn from that wicked lifestyle or is that to much work?
Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain would say yes,after reading the Bible, but unfortunately this is were we are at in America with the church today that is loose as a goose and liberal as the day is long. Cant tell the church from the world anymore and it is because of liberal nonsense like this!!!
Wake up and pray through church!!! Stop looking for excuses to sin and sanctify yourself and the very God of peace shall sanctify you wholly
BTW i have considered....I counted the cost a long time ago...
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 6-8
Hi! Matthew 7 does warn against false prophets.
Matt 7:15-17
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
KJV
But the rest of the chapter has other teachings - all of which had the purpose of explaining the gospel to people.
Matt 7:15-17
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
KJV
But the rest of the chapter has other teachings - all of which had the purpose of explaining the gospel to people.
You said:
"Turning or repenting from sin would be a work thus salvation by works if its necessary for salvation"
Does a bird fly to become a bird or because he is a bird?
Do fish swim to become a fish or because they are fish?
... let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
I guess thats considered working? Something we should DO!!!
We do that, not trying to work to be a Christian but because we are a christian
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
Sorry for the delay in reply.
A break in fellowship with God, due to sin or walking in darkness unknowingly (ie,...walking not according to the precepts or ordinances), has NOTHING to do with ones salvation, that is assured. However if one is out of fellowship with God, one must get right with God and walk in the TRUTH. Everything in Scripture is related to the TRUTH of God.
1) We must believe the Truth.
2) We can only worship in Spirit and Truth.
3) God's love is related to Truth.
4) Jesus Christ is the embodiment of Truth.
A break in fellowship with God, due to sin or walking in darkness unknowingly (ie,...walking not according to the precepts or ordinances), has NOTHING to do with ones salvation, that is assured. However if one is out of fellowship with God, one must get right with God and walk in the TRUTH. Everything in Scripture is related to the TRUTH of God.
1) We must believe the Truth.
2) We can only worship in Spirit and Truth.
3) God's love is related to Truth.
4) Jesus Christ is the embodiment of Truth.
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While I do not disagree, that if Christ's righteousness is imputed to ones account, then that ones sins are blotted out and God will not remember them any more. This speaks to ones state before God (Positional Sanctification), and will be Conditional in Glory, but should not be confused with ones present Condition (In Time).
We indeed do go in and out of fellowship with God. Or as some have expressed it, we constantly go from the valley to the mountain top and back again. John spoke to this:
1Jn 1:5-10 And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
While many commentators believe John is referring to an unsaved person herein, I disagree. Note the number of plural and inclusive pronouns used by John (In red). According to chapter 2, he was writing these things to keep us from sinning and helping us to realize that one can fall from fellowship with God and fellow believers. The greek word herein translated "cleanseth" is a present. active. subjunctive verb. It means, there is an ongoing cleansing, present tense. However, since it is in the "subjunctive" mood, it is a possibility, depending on the state of the one being referred to. This verb proves there is a continuous washing of our sins in time, because our "Conditional" state is still improving in righteousness. We move from a beginning righteousness, which is imparted to believers when they first believe, to a righteousness that is more mature as we grow in grace and knowledge. When one reads in the Bible, that we are referred to as "Saints" (or Holy), "perfect" or "Righteous", this primarily speaks to our Position in Christ and to a much lesser extent to our Condition. Since our "POSITION" is assured, then calling us Saints or Holy ones, can easily be understood; even if our present Condition is far short of true Holiness.
We indeed do go in and out of fellowship with God. Or as some have expressed it, we constantly go from the valley to the mountain top and back again. John spoke to this:
1Jn 1:5-10 And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
While many commentators believe John is referring to an unsaved person herein, I disagree. Note the number of plural and inclusive pronouns used by John (In red). According to chapter 2, he was writing these things to keep us from sinning and helping us to realize that one can fall from fellowship with God and fellow believers. The greek word herein translated "cleanseth" is a present. active. subjunctive verb. It means, there is an ongoing cleansing, present tense. However, since it is in the "subjunctive" mood, it is a possibility, depending on the state of the one being referred to. This verb proves there is a continuous washing of our sins in time, because our "Conditional" state is still improving in righteousness. We move from a beginning righteousness, which is imparted to believers when they first believe, to a righteousness that is more mature as we grow in grace and knowledge. When one reads in the Bible, that we are referred to as "Saints" (or Holy), "perfect" or "Righteous", this primarily speaks to our Position in Christ and to a much lesser extent to our Condition. Since our "POSITION" is assured, then calling us Saints or Holy ones, can easily be understood; even if our present Condition is far short of true Holiness.
The Bible says nothing in all creation can snatch us out of the hand of Jesus or the Father. That includes us as created beings. For us to be able to give back the gift of salvation, it would requires the giver (God) to be willing to receive it back - He is not. Thus, we can't "leave" or "give it back." There isn't a single example in the Bible that shows a born again believer losing their salvation for any reason whatsoever.
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What a convoluted mess that was.
Yet again, the text says Satan FILLED THEIR HEARTS. Not "tempted" not "tried" but FILLED. Since believers are filled with the Holy Spirit, it would require the Spirit to "step aside" and allow this filling from Satan. Spoiler alert: The Holy Spirit would never allow that.
Ananias and Sapphira were con artists - not born again believers. They wanted the praise, honor, and perhaps an exalted position that Barnabas received when he sold some property and gave the money to the Apostles. It says they "agreed together to test the Spirit." They conspired to deceive and their hearts were filled by Satan to commit the act. They didn't even sell property, the scriptures say they only sold a "possession" and kept back part of the money.
After those two deceivers died, the Bible says other unbelievers dared not to join them! Others were obviously planning to infiltrate as Ananias and Sapphira had attempted to do. They were wolves in sheep's clothing, but the plan ended badly for them. So much so, others dared not try the same thing.
If even a single lie will send someone to hell, then by your reasoning, God will kill you. You just can't seem to grasp the fact that for believers, the sin issue is FINISHED! FULL PAYMENT has been made. There isn't a single sin left in a believer's account. If we still have any sinned charged to us, the Bible would not call us "Holy", "Righteous", or "Saints". And if even a single sin hasn't already been paid for, we are hopelessly lost. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission. And Jesus is NOT coming back to shed any more blood.
You are teaching that unless a believer confesses a sin, they are in danger, not only of death, but of damnation. If that is not true, I'll come right out and ask: If a believer dies with unconfessed sin, do they still go to heaven?
It's your ilk that keeps Christians in anxiety and fear. You would rather have believers serving God, not out of love and gratitude because of His amazing gift of salvation through grace, but out of constant terror He will crush them if/when they transgress.
It's sickening.
And I take back the cereal box analogy. It's looks more and more like you get your theology from a Cracker Jack box.
Yet again, the text says Satan FILLED THEIR HEARTS. Not "tempted" not "tried" but FILLED. Since believers are filled with the Holy Spirit, it would require the Spirit to "step aside" and allow this filling from Satan. Spoiler alert: The Holy Spirit would never allow that.
Ananias and Sapphira were con artists - not born again believers. They wanted the praise, honor, and perhaps an exalted position that Barnabas received when he sold some property and gave the money to the Apostles. It says they "agreed together to test the Spirit." They conspired to deceive and their hearts were filled by Satan to commit the act. They didn't even sell property, the scriptures say they only sold a "possession" and kept back part of the money.
After those two deceivers died, the Bible says other unbelievers dared not to join them! Others were obviously planning to infiltrate as Ananias and Sapphira had attempted to do. They were wolves in sheep's clothing, but the plan ended badly for them. So much so, others dared not try the same thing.
If even a single lie will send someone to hell, then by your reasoning, God will kill you. You just can't seem to grasp the fact that for believers, the sin issue is FINISHED! FULL PAYMENT has been made. There isn't a single sin left in a believer's account. If we still have any sinned charged to us, the Bible would not call us "Holy", "Righteous", or "Saints". And if even a single sin hasn't already been paid for, we are hopelessly lost. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission. And Jesus is NOT coming back to shed any more blood.
You are teaching that unless a believer confesses a sin, they are in danger, not only of death, but of damnation. If that is not true, I'll come right out and ask: If a believer dies with unconfessed sin, do they still go to heaven?
It's your ilk that keeps Christians in anxiety and fear. You would rather have believers serving God, not out of love and gratitude because of His amazing gift of salvation through grace, but out of constant terror He will crush them if/when they transgress.
It's sickening.
And I take back the cereal box analogy. It's looks more and more like you get your theology from a Cracker Jack box.
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Anybody with one eyeball and half a brain knows this is not true.
GOD DOSNT FORCE ME TO LOVE HIM
If love dosnt have a choice you can't all it love
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
You guys please don't a
Have a stroke when you read John say EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME
THATS SOMETHING I MUST DO!!!
OH NO THAT DREADED WORD DO!!! you mean I have to do something??
This nonsense is why the church today is full of the world..pew setters who want to go to heaven but nobody willing to take up the cross and die daily
Come out from among the world and be separate Saith the Lord.....has the church forgot scriptures such as this
Love not the world neither the things that are in the world if anyman love the world the love of the Father is not in him.1 John 2:15
GOD DOSNT FORCE ME TO LOVE HIM
If love dosnt have a choice you can't all it love
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
You guys please don't a
Have a stroke when you read John say EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME
THATS SOMETHING I MUST DO!!!
OH NO THAT DREADED WORD DO!!! you mean I have to do something??
This nonsense is why the church today is full of the world..pew setters who want to go to heaven but nobody willing to take up the cross and die daily
Come out from among the world and be separate Saith the Lord.....has the church forgot scriptures such as this
Love not the world neither the things that are in the world if anyman love the world the love of the Father is not in him.1 John 2:15
So, tell me, just how much do you have to do to "prove" you are saved? How many good works?
One a day? Two? Ten?
To abide in Christ means to be joined with Him. That joining is accomplished when one puts their trust in Jesus for salvation. It never ceases to amaze me that those who claim we must "do" things to prove were saved, or to remain saved, will deny they preach a works-based gospel.
The gospel you preach cannot save. It's predicated on your own actions. Your personal "performance." Not on what Christ accomplished and proclaimed is "finished."
You sin every single day. Day in and day out. Thousands of sins a year. And yet place the yoke of bondage on others, to follow you into the ditch.
One a day? Two? Ten?
To abide in Christ means to be joined with Him. That joining is accomplished when one puts their trust in Jesus for salvation. It never ceases to amaze me that those who claim we must "do" things to prove were saved, or to remain saved, will deny they preach a works-based gospel.
The gospel you preach cannot save. It's predicated on your own actions. Your personal "performance." Not on what Christ accomplished and proclaimed is "finished."
You sin every single day. Day in and day out. Thousands of sins a year. And yet place the yoke of bondage on others, to follow you into the ditch.
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