Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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Rom 8
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Can we stick to the bible please ? Whats your question and what verses did you want to discuss?
Tell the truth is this Joe biden?? guess you forgot we was discussing Acts 5
Your right christians don't "lose" salvation......but they can leave their salvation and turn like a hog to the mire
yea that’s what anyone who sins is experiencing satans will in thier mind and heart .
my theology ? Um mine comes from what Jesus and his apostles taught and said to believe in the New Testament scriptures , beginning with the word of the Lord , and never ever to exclude it from my thoughts . if they have a cereal box like that , then .....yes I do brother
“Kingdom Crunchies” let’s examine the back of the box this sets up context
“And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”
Acts 4:32-35 KJV
now this is what happened sin comes because of satans will in a person heart and mind in this case greed it doesn’t mean they were possessed by a demon and had no control or anything that’s what sin is obeying the will of Satan when he whispers it to us rather than obeying what God has said to us .
“But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart?
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?
And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”
Acts 5:1-11
except for the modern grave version of the church , they don’t fear things like that .
They didn’t have to go sell their possessions and give it to the apostles they were never commanded as a rule to do so . the church was doing it because of Jesus teachings about mercy and truth and caring for one another and they were flourishing .
they went and did it , and then Satan spoke from greed in their hearts ( because that’s what he does ) and they agreed together to lie about how much they had received as God was just beginning to move in the church powerfully .
It’s meant as a warning to people who think it’s ok to sin now because of Christ’s sacrifice that’s not how it is sin is always going to lead to death and it’s a matter of who a believer chooses to serve whether sin through temptations or God through Christ and his gospel .
just like Paul taught receiving the spirit is one thing but following or rejecting it it is another.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-18, 21-22 KJV
serving sin shows who we belong to , repenting and believing the gospel so he can change our will from sin to righteousness shows who we belong to
( fda warning contents of cereal within box may not be your flavor )
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You are basically using a tautological argument
A true christian cannot lose his salvation.
But if he lost his, then he must not have been a true Christian.
It’s the same argument form when people try to argue that true Christians will not take the mark of the beast
yea that’s what anyone who sins is experiencing satans will in thier mind and heart .
my theology ? Um mine comes from what Jesus and his apostles taught and said to believe in the New Testament scriptures , beginning with the word of the Lord , and never ever to exclude it from my thoughts . if they have a cereal box like that , then .....yes I do brother
this sets up context
“And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”
Acts 4:32-35 KJV
now this is what happened sin comes because of satans will in a person heart and mind in this case greed it doesn’t mean they were possessed by a demon and had no control or anything that’s what sin is obeying the will of Satan when he whispers it to us rather than obeying what God has said to us .
“But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart?
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?
And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”
Acts 5:1-11
except for the modern grave version of the church , they don’t fear things like that .
They didn’t have to go sell their possessions and give it to the apostles they were never commanded as a rule to do so . the church was doing it because of Jesus teachings about mercy and truth and caring for one another and they were flourishing .
they went and did it , and then Satan spoke from greed in their hearts ( because that’s what he does ) and they agreed together to lie about how much they had received as God was just beginning to move in the church powerfully .
It’s meant as a warning to people who think it’s ok to sin now because of Christ’s sacrifice that’s not how it is sin is always going to lead to death and it’s a matter of who a believer chooses to serve whether sin through temptations or God through Christ and his gospel .
just like Paul taught receiving the spirit is one thing but following or rejecting it it is another.
“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
Romans 6:15-18, 21-22 KJV
serving sin shows who we belong to , repenting and believing the gospel so he can change our will from sin to righteousness shows who we belong to
( fda warning contents of cereal within box may not be your flavor )
Amen!!! You beat me to Acts chapter 4.....clearly they where believers that lied to the Holy Ghost. I do wish great fear would once again grip the hearts of people in the church again....
Some are certainly eating from the Fruit Loops Box
yes I don’t think non church members would be selling thier foods
And sharing half with the church . But if a person is set against something , the source is the problem
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
same mistake eve and Adam made.
“ God said “you will surely die don’t do it “
, Satan said “ did God really say that ? Surely that’s not true , it’s actually good for you will Make you As gods.”
and it changed eves right mind to a wrong mind about the fruit , that’s what he does still today through opposing doctrine to that of the Truth , way and life God has sealed and issued to the world through Christ.
Paul wrote that bout 1900 or so years ago and it’s evident of we acknowledge the variance and distortions of doctrines of Many shapes and sizes
but there’s only one doctrine God will honor because Christ suffered and died to shed the blood that speaks his words forever
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
2 John 1:9-10 KJV
So Many Offer different reasons why the words of Jesus ended at the cross or they only for the Jews whatever reason they aren’t for you . Why the gospel is a different gospel for gentile and Jew .
Because those are the words of God for eternal life , the enemies work is to get us to disbelieve Jesus and believe a fable taught by supposed authorities and spread into the world , exploiting for Money what they claim God gave to them for free thier great revelations of new ways and new doctrines
that require a person to first reject what Christ said for whatever scholarly reason so they can believe thier new revolutionary way the many teachers have come up with and introduced into the church over time.
Sadly leading many to set up a defense against Jesus words in the gospel which he says are life and salvation. But Satan is still trying to get those who hear what God said , to disbelieve it and listen to him instead .
but Jesus is saying hear me and learn from me , I’m the one God sent to save , believe in me , trust in me , follow Me , I came to give you eternal Life
like Adam and Eve we have a choice of who to believe
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
I believe we have more evidence that Ananias and sapphire were believers than not.
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 4:31-35 kjv
Hi! But not for all the sins of the world. Only the sins of those who receive Jesus as Lord (God and Master) and Savior, sincerely - are covered by Jesus' sacrifice for sins. And even they need to continue to repent of unintentional sins every day - since no one is sinless in this life. Only Jesus was perfectly sinless.
The Lord's prayer shows a need to repent regularly of daily sins:
Matt 6:12
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
KJV
And to repent of sin - means to turn away from sin - and to choose to obey God in all things, instead. It will show in one's life - if a person has repented of his old sinful ways or not.
Matt 7:16-17
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
KJV
Hi! It's true if a Christian has become firm in his commitment to remain true to Christ throughout the end of his life - is no longer in danger of falling away, according to the Bible. But there are some who are not yet fully firm yet in that commitment, who do fall away, and I see the scriptures as saying that some do - and I see the scriptures as warning them against doing so. Remaining true to God isn't an unbearably difficult task - God would let it be that way. If anyone falls away from Christ, it is because they willingly allow themselves to do so.
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
Out of interest why have you picked the Lords prayer ? Its in the old testament of the Gospel of Mathew . Its a Jewish corporate prayer and its before the cross?
Turning or repenting from sin would be a work thus salvation by works if its necessary for salvation.
And Mathew 7 . Again its the old testament and its about false prophets .
I can’t help that you can’t maintain attention to a few sentences. I said nothing about deriving a doctrine from experience. If you’ll take 30 more seconds to read what I said.your personal struggle is exactly YOUR personal struggle. this does not create doctrine and neither does my experience
I am sorry but I do not read big chunks of type with no paragraphs
In fact, just move on and forget it. No problem. I wrote it for people who are in need of some help. You seem to have it figured out without reading it.