Thank you. You echo my thoughts. I wrote a paper on the name for Jehovah Witness' you can read it HERE. I may need to re-do the first paragraph though.
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Thank you. You echo my thoughts. I wrote a paper on the name for Jehovah Witness' you can read it HERE. I may need to re-do the first paragraph though.
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I see it this way an egg is an egg as long as it has all three parts it is one egg a shell which is Christ whom came to earth and humbled himself allk the way to death at the cross, a White which is the Holy Ghost that guided him to say or do whatever his Father bidded for him to do or say and then the yoke which is the center of life the creator of all now our Father the ones that believe receive this starting with belief unto the resurrection of Christ.
Or you know water has three parts as well yet it is all water, There are two other parts to water steam and ice, differant forms yet still water, this what is true for the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, diferant forms yet revealed to us all three as one from Father from Christ and the Holy Ghost.
Notice where it states baptizing them in God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, and God the Father. God is used all three times singularly it does not say Gods it is stated as one God. So christ is one with God the Father the Holy Ghost is one with the Father and the Father is one
Also there is a scripture that Christ said to the person that called him Good , Christ responded back with why do you call me good for my Father is the only one good
Mark 10:18
New International Version (NIV)
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Therefore if anyone calls Jesus good then he is God in the flesh being in the form of the Son, a life-giving spirit to all of us that believe
Homwardbound
The Word God does not confirm what you are saying. Genesis 1:26 says that we are made in the image/likeness of God.
Strong’s definition of “image”
H6754
צלם
tselem
tseh'-lem
From an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, that is, (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence a representative figure, especially an idol: - image, vain shew.
Strong’s definition of “likeness”
H1823
דּמוּת
demu^th
dem-ooth'
From H1819; resemblance; concretely model, shape; adverbially like: - fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude
So if we are made in the image/likeness of God when we look in a mirror and what we see reflecting back is a fleshly image/likeness of God. Your image that reflects back has a head, a body, legs, feet, arms, and guess what hands. So I find your statement “The Father who is Spirit doesn't have hands” absolutely unscriptural.
Isa 45:11Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way thatwas not good, after their own thoughts;
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
1Christianwarrior316
The Bible tells Jesus is there in Glory with God the Father. There we have the Trinity.
All three are One and if you look up the origin of the word 'persona' you will find it tallies precisely with both the definitions given in Strong.
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Jesus is God, Light is God, The Holy Spirit is God, etc. Just because some can't comprehend, it doesn't mean that it's not true. Here's another example of the Bread of Life/God/Jesus being in Heaven before He was made flesh.
Joh 6:48I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
The holy flesh of God did not begin to exist when Jesus was born, it has always been a part of God.
Jesus is God, Light is God, The Holy Spirit is God, etc. Just because some can't comprehend, it doesn't mean that it's not true. Here's another example of the Bread of Life/God/Jesus being in Heaven before He was made flesh.
Joh 6:48I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
The holy flesh of God did not begin to exist when Jesus was born, it has always been a part of God.
Yes we are made in the image of God and that took place after they ate, when God replied now they are like us knowing good and evil. Then God carried on with flesh having mercy on man. God even blocked the entrance to Eden to ptotect the tree of life until the right time to reveal that tree of life (Christ Jesus) for had anyone gotten in there and ate they would have received life eternal and would have chosen evil over good. So in these last days under the new covenant it is Stated God is a Spirit and can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth. the flesh issue has been dealt with at the cross of Christ and all sin was condemned to the flesh, so that it cannot spill over to the Spirit of God. This is why if you, I or anyone else a believer and see being born again in the Spirit and walk in it it produces righteousness in the believer and against such is no law. Flesh was not redeemed, but sin was and is condemned to it that is why Paul stated this in Romans 6:1-11
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
So here it is we are to die to sin (flesh) believing it here and now 6:11 states this clearly. Therefore we are to worship in Spirit and truth for the word says God is a Spirit in the new testament, where the believers old nature has died with Christ back at the cross just as it says in Romans 6:1-11, then raised back to life as Christ already has been raised. Today it is by the Spirit and only by the Spirit for no flesh will ever please God in God's sight. The only flesh that ever did that is and was Christ Jesus, and no one else can touch this for Jesus was born of the virgin and therefore was born a life-giving Spirit to bring us back to the life that Adam and Eve lost by eating of that tree of evil that masquerades as good
Homwardbound
Dead flesh pleases God, and we do have the power for our flesh (the body of Christ) to please God. Sin and flesh do not have the same definition, unless you're talking about flesh that didn't come from heaven, then I can see your point.
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Yes that is the risen new person in Christ Jesus. The old nature that we are originally born with gets crucified with Christ back at the cross and then one is born again by the operation of Father just as Father rose Christ from the dead Romans 6:1-6:11
John 3:1-3 and 5and 6
3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
So then if flesh is born here on earth from Mom and Dad and it is not after the simulitude of Adam and Eve why does one need per God to be born again, and why does it say no flesh in his sight will ever please God.
As well Romans 8
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Do you now see that the sin and the flesh are synonimous and that there is no sin in the Spirit of God it takes our original flesh to be crucified with Christ through the operation of God coupled together with one's belief
Love ya man
If it might be profitable to one's edification that I would add these scriptures involving Jesus Christ, whom we perceived to be the Bread of life, whom is also called the Wine because of this,..
1Co 11:18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:19 For there must also be heresies among you, that the approved ones may be revealed among you.
1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry, and another drunken.
1Co 11:22 For do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God, and shame those who do not have? What shall I say _________to you? Shall I praise you for this? I do not praise you!
1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 And giving thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body, which is broken for you; this do in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, "This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this in _________remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:26 For "as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you show" the Lord's death until He shall come.
1Co 11:27 So that whoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord unworthily, he will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he who eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks condemnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 11:33 So that, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another
1Co 11:34 But if anyone hungers, let him eat at home, so that you do not come together to condemnation. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
1Co 11:18 For first of all, when you come together in the church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:19 For there must also be heresies among you, that the approved ones may be revealed among you.
1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry, and another drunken.
1Co 11:22 For do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God, and shame those who do not have? What shall I say _________to you? Shall I praise you for this? I do not praise you!
1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 And giving thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body, which is broken for you; this do in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also, after supping, saying, "This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this in _________remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:26 For "as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you show" the Lord's death until He shall come.
1Co 11:27 So that whoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord unworthily, he will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he who eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks condemnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 11:33 So that, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another
1Co 11:34 But if anyone hungers, let him eat at home, so that you do not come together to condemnation. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
Thanks for that Maranatha.
Have you read this that I wrote for Jehovah Witnesses to show them that Jesus is Jehovah?
SEE HERE
Here are some verses of Scripture to show you that Jesus Christ is clearly God.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. - 1 Timothy 3:16
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. - 1 John 3:16
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: - Colossians 1:16
I don't really agree with this brother homwardbound that man became the image of God after they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
We read in Genesis 1:26 that man was made in God's image, after His likeness. And that was the 6th day. Then scripture goes on to tell us that on the 7th day He rested.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Then in Genesis 3 we read about the fall of man. In verse 22 it does say that "man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" but it does not say that man's image changed only that man now knew the difference between good and evil.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
In brotherly love, 1Christianwarrior316
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godsron
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Jesus is God and the Holy Ghost. And I have been learning more and more in scripture that proves it. Instead of always quoting John 3:16 it's also wise to pair it up with 1st John 3:16 that shows it was God who gave his life for us. Also Paul explains that the invisible things are clearly understood by the things which are made...even his eternal power and godhead. If you look in genesis God said "Let us make man in our image" and he was speaking to himself. So man became a 3 part being just like God. But those 3 parts CANNOT operate separate from each other like some believe. Its simple...can you speak a few words and they not be your words? Can you separate a single part of your being from another? The answer is NO. If I stood in a room and spoke I would be lying if I tried to say it was someone else. It is impossible for my words to be separate from me. Just as it is impossible for Jesus(the spoken Word of God) to be separate from God. Jesus himself said to the disciples "I shall not leave you comfortless, I will come to you" speaking of the Holy Ghost. Common sense dictates that a God who refuses to share glory with another would not allow people to worship his Son. Think about this....Jesus quoted to Satan "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" yet he allowed people to worship him. The truth is there if we are willing to lay down our understanding for God's. For God to cause a virgin to give birth to himself....it makes sense that an omnipotent(all powerful) God can do that.
God bless
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No, brother.
Jesus is not the Spirit....and the Spirit is not Jesus.
Jesus is God. The Spirit is God. The Father is God. Each is the One God - but not each other.
This is what we call the Trinity...