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Trinitarianism is not biblical. It is religion. Man-made religion. Only God, the Father, is God.
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jimmydiggs
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Jesus is my Lord and savior. It is through him we are saved. He made known his Father, God, the creator.
Re: jesus is God's son
You have a false spirit,
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
You say Jesus christ is God yet we know God cannot be tempted;
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:1st james
We know Jesus was tempted,
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.mark
What will the false christ do predicted by Jesus,
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
The false Christ makes himself God
Jesus christ didnt do that;
The Book of John
Chapter 17
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
He saith to the deciples, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
You have a false spirit,
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
You say Jesus christ is God yet we know God cannot be tempted;
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:1st james
We know Jesus was tempted,
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.mark
What will the false christ do predicted by Jesus,
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
The false Christ makes himself God
Jesus christ didnt do that;
The Book of John
Chapter 17
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
He saith to the deciples, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
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Crossfire
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Becausehe died, would you mind sharing which translation that you are using here? I have multiple translations and have never seen verse six ever translated in that manner thus I would like to do a word study.
I mean no offense toward you personally but, in my opinion, that is a very poor translation and somewhat misleading. In every translation that I have ever read verse six is translated to say that Jesus did not regard equality with God something to held on to or highly regarded seeing as Jesus willingly humbled himself by becoming a man. To me, the translation given seems to suggest that Jesus was a god apart from the Father.
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kujo313
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jimmydiggs
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Re: jesus is God's son
@Wisdomseeker
If you deny the Trinity, you are a heretic.
If you deny Christ's divinity, that Christ is God, just as the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then you deny the very being of who Christ is. It's that simple.
@Wisdomseeker
If you deny the Trinity, you are a heretic.
If you deny Christ's divinity, that Christ is God, just as the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then you deny the very being of who Christ is. It's that simple.
Re: jesus is God's son
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
MUCH simpler than your incomprehensible chart.
Here is what is simple:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
MUCH simpler than your incomprehensible chart.
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jimmydiggs
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Re: jesus is God's son
You have exposed yourself for who you are.
Here is what is simple:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
MUCH simpler than your incomprehensible chart.
You have exposed yourself for who you are.
Re: jesus is God's son
...A Christian who loves God and His wonderful Son, and understands who they are.
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dajones1979
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dajones1979
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Re: jesus is God's son
You've made me chuckle! With that one.
Here is what is simple:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
MUCH simpler than your incomprehensible chart.
You've made me chuckle! With that one.
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jimmydiggs
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Re: jesus is God's son
That's what you want us to think. That is not what is clear in what you say.
Re: jesus is God's son
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
It is the truth. What is not clear?
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
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Crossfire
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Re: jesus is God's son
While I do not doubt the divinity of either, I tend to regard God, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as the same entity, the Father being unseen will / heart while the Holy Spirit is His spiritual hands / feet / voice.
@Wisdomseeker
If you deny the Trinity, you are a heretic.
If you deny Christ's divinity, that Christ is God, just as the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then you deny the very being of who Christ is. It's that simple.
While I do not doubt the divinity of either, I tend to regard God, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as the same entity, the Father being unseen will / heart while the Holy Spirit is His spiritual hands / feet / voice.
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Nalu
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becausehedied
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The NKJV
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, (NKJV)
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (KJV)
Php 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, (ASV)
Php 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (NIV)
Php 2:6 who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God, (LB)
No offense to you either but,
perhaps I should ask what version you use.
If you would like more translations of this verse I can provide them.