God made an unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abe, the land promise was part of it. It has yet to be fulfilled.
Israel's Final Deliverance
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God made an unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abe, the land promise was part of it. It has yet to be fulfilled.
It's mistaken because you're stumbling over misplaced punctuation that creates a faulty reading. You think it says all Israel will be saved [comma, or colon], as these OT verses say, as if those verses say everyone in Israel will be saved. They don't say that at all. They describe how all of the godly remnant of Israel throughout the ages will be saved, ie God will remove ungodliness from them by taking away their sins. So verses 26-27 say in fact:
And so all Israel shall be saved as it is written, "There shall come out of Zion the deliverer, and he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob". For "this is my covenant to them when I take away their sins." Romans 11:26-27
Yes unconditional covenant confirming the promise of the land, but the promise was to Abraham's seed, who is Christ, which is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16. That promise was fulfilled when the father gave everything to Christ forever.
Thank you brother for this. I would love to hear more of what you got to say on this? Are there any preachers you could recommend who preach this? If not, could you send me a DM and walk me thru who you believe the beast / man of sin is? I take the man of sin to be the pope, potentially. What do you believe about the mark of the beast?
The repercussions have been devastating.
I suppose it will take several generations before this false interpretations dies.
Not sure we have seen the full damage of it yet, but we are heading pretty quickly towards it.
Joshua 21:43-45 So the Lord gave Israel all the land which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and lived in it. And the Lord gave them rest on every side, in accordance with everything that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the Lord handed all their enemies over to them. Not one of the good promises which the Lord had made to the house of Israel failed; everything came to pass.
Furthermore the land promises will be fulfilled in the resurrection to Abraham himself:
Hebrews 11:8-10
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Atleast its on its way out. As the west is flooded with muslims and some of them become Christians I still dont see them going full zionist.
Absolutely. I will get back with you after my travels. Blessings.
He actually made a covenant with Himself (“When God made a promise to Abraham, since he had no one greater by whom to swear, he swore by himself”) and gave the promises to Abraham and his Seed.
It says he made it with Abram.
On that day YHWH made a covenant with Abram, saying, I have given this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, Genesis 15:18
What you're referring to happened later
And He said, I have sworn by Myself, declares YHWH, that on account of this thing you have done, and have not withheld your son, your only son, that blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the shore of the sea. And your Seed shall possess the gate of his enemies. And in your Seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed because you have obeyed My voice. Genesis 22:16-18
I always understood that as the same promise but upgraded. 1st, the small parcel of land but then, the whole earth.
I wanted to add more to this.
God never made Abraham swear to uphold anything. God directed Abraham and Abraham obeyed. By this, Abraham is a type of Jesus: doing what his father is doing.
So, within the covenant, Abraham is a third party beneficiary. Abe is not held to account to keep any side of the agreement. But he benefits from the results of the covenant.
This is like marriage and children: the man (party number 1) and wife (party number 2) covenant together to build a relationship of love and good order. The children just show up and take part in that arrangement without anything being asked of them. They become 3rd party beneficiaries.
Recall Abraham (Genesis 15) cutting in half some animals and sacrificing some birds. Traditionally, when men made a covenant, they would arrange the animal halves and walk between them. It was as if to say "If I do not hold up my end the our covenant my life if forfeit like these sacrifices." Both men would walk between the halves because each many was a party of the covenant.
When Abraham set this up only God walked between the halves.
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
And the next verse is the verse you quoted:
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
So, God swore to God that He would keep His word to Abraham and His Seed.
SO, when we move to Genesis 22:16-18 And He said, I have sworn by Myself, declares YHWH, that on account of this thing you have done, and have not withheld your son, your only son, that blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the shore of the sea. And your Seed shall possess the gate of his enemies. And in your Seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed because you have obeyed My voice.
This is an extension of the first covenant. Abraham is not swearing to anything. He is simply believing God and God is extending His initial proclamation: from influence over a small parcel of land to all the nations of the world.
There is so much more to this: like how Abraham's life mirrors Jesus's. It was written about Jesus after seeing him with the teachers as a boy "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men." It was later that God pronounces Jesus to be His Son in whom He is well pleased. He received the favor of God by believing God... the same way Abraham did.
Great allusions to Christ. No doubt the so much more would include Psalm 2:8. It's also interesting that the sojournings of Abraham are mimicked by Christ.
Nice job.
That's the whole nature of early biblical primogeniture in which the firstborn inherited everything the father had. In Abraham's case that included God's promises to him. Any other sons received their allotments of the inheritance from the firstborn, not the father. So likewise we receive our allotment of the inheritance from Christ, the firstborn, just as Abraham saw receiving his inheritance of the land from his seed (Christ) in the resurrection because the promise was to him, the firstborn (Genesis 15:18).
This is why Israel received their allotment of the land from Joshua of the tribe of Ephraim, who was the firstborn.
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jeremiah 31:9
Israel had no inheritance apart from their association with Joshua, who is a figure of Jesus, whose Hebrew name is Joshua. This explains why Israel said they had no inheritance in David during the split of the kingdom. Their inheritance was through association with Ephraim the firstborn, just as our inheritance is through association with Jesus the firstborn.So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents. 1 Kings 12:16
And why Ezekiel describes Israel as Ephraim (the firstborn) and his associatesSay unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. Ezekiel 37:19
That's possible, but Abraham could have and probably did walk between them. I mean he was right there setting everything up, so it would have been a natural thing for him to walk between the pieces. But God was indeed the only one who bound himself to do anything
Primogeniture! I don’t usually pull that word out on public forums.
I love your insight!Which is what I said. An unconditional and everlasting covenant, with the Jewish people.
So are the Jews. The promises were not to them, but to Christ, the firstborn, into whom all are grafted and receive their inheritance from.