Israel.

[John1335]

I understand this for certain, as I was fed some of these ideas as a new Christian who lacked discernment.

But many have gone to their grave adamant holding onto this false eschatology, I just think believers can suppress the truth and God let's them have their way.

Each person does bring fresh approach and rebuttal so that is a good thing, I am sure you will know when there is no further discussion.

I think its important that we continue to try and reach them, as Dispensational heresy, in my humble opinion, is the very cornerstone of the great end times deception.

 

[Cameron143]

This could get good.

 

[HeIsHere]

I think its important that we continue to try and reach them, as Dispensational heresy, in my humble opinion, is the very cornerstone of the great end times deception.

It is a horrible deception and heresy, agree and it is responsible for all manner of evil.

I think and hope there will be some who are not so dug in, it may be possible.

 

[John1335]

Let's examine a few of the teachings of Dispensationalism.

The blood which Christ shed for the sins of the whole world, was insufficient for the redemption of Israel, or the Jews.

Christ cannot return until a new temple is built in Jerusalem, in which the unbelieving Jews will blasphemously begin again to sacrifice animals for the purpose of atonement.

The Levitical priesthood will be established once again, denying that Christ Himself is the One True High Priest.

Satan will deceive Israel, even though we know that the Elect, or True Israel, the Israel of God, cannot be deceived.

Satan will make a covenant with Israel, the Jews. And in the midst of that covenant, in the temple that Dispensational Heresy helped to build, enter the most Holy Place and declare himself to be god.

Tell me what I got wrong. And if I'm even close to understanding what Dispensationalism teaches, how in the world could anyone believe such blasphemous and nonsensical teaching?

It would seem to me, that the most realistic way for someone to show their love for Israel, would be to profusely warn them against continuing to reject their promised Messiah and High Priest and not to build a temple for Satan under any circumstances.

 

[andy700700]

Genesis 12
New International Version
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

 

[God-fearing]

My response was a simple question, which you failed to answer.

Everything about the modern state of Israel is Antichrist.

Would you prayerfully, and with an open heart and mind examine the evidence of my claims if presented to you?

Islam, with all its obvious faults, at least honors Jesus Christ as a true prophet. You should know this, it's a verifiable fact.

The majority of those claiming to be ethnic Jews on the other hand, are atheists. The majority of religious Jews believe that your Savior, if indeed He is your Savior, is burning in excrement in hell beside His mother Mary the whore.

You don't have to take my word for it, nor should you. You can easily verify these claims for yourself. But will you?

Now back to my question. Who are these anti Israel churches that you speak of?

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=191436

Well to simply answer your question....you.

 

[God-fearing]

Let's examine a few of the teachings of Dispensationalism.

The blood which Christ shed for the sins of the whole world, was insufficient for the redemption of Israel, or the Jews.

Christ cannot return until a new temple is built in Jerusalem, in which the unbelieving Jews will blasphemously begin again to sacrifice animals for the purpose of atonement.

The Levitical priesthood will be established once again, denying that Christ Himself is the One True High Priest.

Satan will deceive Israel, even though we know that the Elect, or True Israel, the Israel of God, cannot be deceived.

Satan will make a covenant with Israel, the Jews. And in the midst of that covenant, in the temple that Dispensational Heresy helped to build, enter the most Holy Place and declare himself to be god.

Tell me what I got wrong. And if I'm even close to understanding what Dispensationalism teaches, how in the world could anyone believe such blasphemous and nonsensical teaching?

It would seem to me, that the most realistic way for someone to show their love for Israel, would be to profusely warn them against continuing to reject their promised Messiah and High Priest and not to build a temple for Satan under any circumstances.

Well you have a problem here with your eschatology. The jews are only decived for 3 1/2 years in which the anti-Christ breakes the agreement (covenant) he makes. That's the abomination of desolation.
That's when they are told to flee to the mountains. They are hunted by the dragon.
The temple is destroyed because anti-Christ brought Babylon practices and declared himself God. Which the jews rejected.
Jesus said...when you see the abomination of desolation flee and pray that it is not winter or with child.
Why would Jesus tell them to flee if he was going to destroy them?
And just to let you know Petra and bozrah meaning is the sheep's gate in which they flee to. .....Jesus the good shepherd.
Also know that there is food and provision already stored there to feed millions that the saved jews have put there in years of preparation for this event,
I am in contact with Christian ministers in israel and have over 30 yrs of teachings from many different angles of eschatology.
I have Jewish friends who believe and ones who dont. But never had I ever been cast a side or slandered for belief in christ.
Your rudeness and insults dont phase me a bit in fact it proves my point.
Your argument is not with me but with God. You picked the wrong person to gas light my friend.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I think its important that we continue to try and reach them, as Dispensational heresy, in my humble opinion, is the very cornerstone of the great end times deception.

That's ok brother, I'm trying to reach you. Replacement Theology heresy is dangerous and led to the Holocaust. That is why I fight so hard to spread the truth.

 

[John1335]

Well you have a problem here with your eschatology. The jews are only decived for 3 1/2 years in which the anti-Christ breakes the agreement (covenant) he makes. That's the abomination of desolation.
That's when they are told to flee to the mountains. They are hunted by the dragon.
The temple is destroyed because anti-Christ brought Babylon practices and declared himself God. Which the jews rejected.
Jesus said...when you see the abomination of desolation flee and pray that it is not winter or with child.
Why would Jesus tell them to flee if he was going to destroy them?
And just to let you know Petra and bozrah meaning is the sheep's gate in which they flee to. .....Jesus the good shepherd.
Also know that there is food and provision already stored there to feed millions that the saved jews have put there in years of preparation for this event,
I am in contact with Christian ministers in israel and have over 30 yrs of teachings from many different angles of eschatology.
I have Jewish friends who believe and ones who dont. But never had I ever been cast a side or slandered for belief in christ.
Your rudeness and insults dont phase me a bit in fact it proves my point.
Your argument is not with me but with God. You picked the wrong person to gas light my friend.

There's truly no helping you people. And that makes me sad.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Replacement Theology It is a horrible deception and heresy, agree and it is responsible for all manner of evil.

Fixed it for her/him. It led to the Holocaust. Yes it is responsible for all manner of evil.

 

[John1335]

That's ok brother, I'm trying to reach you. Replacement Theology heresy is dangerous and led to the Holocaust. That is why I fight so hard to spread the truth.

For the 100th time, please put down your Scofield bible and read the word of God prayerfully, without your pre-installed eschatological viewpoint.

 

[John1335]

That's ok brother, I'm trying to reach you. Replacement Theology heresy is dangerous and led to the Holocaust. That is why I fight so hard to spread the truth.

Christ fulfilled every prophecy and every promise. The Apostles believed and taught this fundamental truth. I'll take their inspired words over John Darby and Cyrus Scofields, but you do you.
Holohoax, fify

 

[John1335]

Well you have a problem here with your eschatology. The jews are only decived for 3 1/2 years in which the anti-Christ breakes the agreement (covenant) he makes. That's the abomination of desolation.
That's when they are told to flee to the mountains. They are hunted by the dragon.
The temple is destroyed because anti-Christ brought Babylon practices and declared himself God. Which the jews rejected.
Jesus said...when you see the abomination of desolation flee and pray that it is not winter or with child.
Why would Jesus tell them to flee if he was going to destroy them?
And just to let you know Petra and bozrah meaning is the sheep's gate in which they flee to. .....Jesus the good shepherd.
Also know that there is food and provision already stored there to feed millions that the saved jews have put there in years of preparation for this event,
I am in contact with Christian ministers in israel and have over 30 yrs of teachings from many different angles of eschatology.
I have Jewish friends who believe and ones who dont. But never had I ever been cast a side or slandered for belief in christ.
Your rudeness and insults dont phase me a bit in fact it proves my point.
Your argument is not with me but with God. You picked the wrong person to gas light my friend.

Pure Fantasy.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Christ fulfilled every prophecy and every promise. The Apostles believed and taught this fundamental truth. I'll take their inspired words over John Darby and Cyrus Scofields, but you do you.

I have no idea what Darby or Scofield believed. There is a land promise yet to be fulfilled. Either God keeps His promises or He doesn't, it's that simple.

Holohoax, fify

What's a hoax about the Holocaust?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

For the 100th time, please put down your Scofield bible and read the word of God prayerfully, without your pre-installed eschatological viewpoint.

Again, this isn't personal but I could ask the same of you. Either God keeps His promises or He doesn't.

 

[John1335]

It is a horrible deception and heresy, agree and it is responsible for all manner of evil.

I think and hope there will be some who are not so dug in, it may be possible.

Just an fyi, it will not happen, any change of heart or willingness to see reality and God's truth.

I dare say the more people present truth, it just causes people to double down, I think it makes it worse.

Just want you to think on this because at some point we must head the words of Christ Jesus and shake the dust off our feet and leave them to their folly.

Brother, it is brother correct?
Thank you for these words of wisdom, I should have heeded them sooner.

I've been here a whole day, maybe two, and I am already so grieved in my spirit that I don't know how to express it.

The word of God is so crystal clear, and yet they deny every single aspect of the Gospel.

His Redemption, the Atonement, the Fatherhood of God, the New Covenant in His Blood, His Sacrifice, His High Holy Priesthood, and so much more I can't even think of right now.

They talk incessantly of replacement theology, when it is they themselves that have replaced Christ with Israel, truth for lies, the Gospel Mystery for a dime store fantasy fiction that even Joseph Smith could not have dreamed up.

This is satanic, its not a doctrinal dispute, its pure evil, its spiritual pride and so much worse than that, its madness, and the level of projection is off the charts.

They aren't even capable of entertaining the notion that they have been mislead, nor will they dare to search the scriptures for themselves for any opposing argument, and even when those scriptures are placed right before their very eyes, they will not see.

They cannot see. They hate the Truth, they hate Arabs and Muslims, they hate their brothers and sisters who cry for peace and weep for murdered women and children, they slander and obfuscate and lie. And I am beside myself because of them.

I will speak no more on this subject, and ignore every last one of them.

We need a space, those of us who have not succumbed to this deception, where we can lift one another up and rejoice and edify one another in the Spirit of Christ and love and truth.

I'm open to any suggestions you might have.

 

[Beekeeper]

That's ok brother, I'm trying to reach you. Replacement Theology heresy is dangerous and led to the Holocaust. That is why I fight so hard to spread the truth.

There is no connection between what I believe concerning the kingdom of Christ and the hatred of or the killing of any people.
Neither I nor Jesus endorses any of that.
Over using the "holocaust" slur does not help anybody.
It is a brain-stopper and is designed to polarize.
Anyway these discussions are probably already polarized beyond repair.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Brother, it is brother correct?
Thank you for these words of wisdom, I should have heeded them sooner.

I've been here a whole day, maybe two, and I am already so grieved in my spirit that I don't know how to express it.

The word of God is so crystal clear, and yet they deny every single aspect of the Gospel.

His Redemption, the Atonement, the Fatherhood of God, the New Covenant in His Blood, His Sacrifice, His High Holy Priesthood, and so much more I can't even think of right now.

They talk incessantly of replacement theology, when it is they themselves that have replaced Christ with Israel, truth for lies, the Gospel Mystery for a dime store fantasy fiction that even Joseph Smith could not have dreamed up.

This is satanic, its not a doctrinal dispute, its pure evil, its spiritual pride and so much worse than that, its madness, and the level of projection is off the charts.

They aren't even capable of entertaining the notion that they have been mislead, nor will they dare to search the scriptures for themselves for any opposing argument, and even when those scriptures are placed right before their very eyes, they will not see.

They cannot see. They hate the Truth, they hate Arabs and Muslims, they hate their brothers and sisters who cry for peace and weep for murdered women and children, they slander and obfuscate and lie. And I am beside myself because of them.

I will speak no more on this subject, and ignore every last one of them.

We need a space, those of us who have not succumbed to this deception, where we can lift one another up and rejoice and edify one another in the Spirit of Christ and love and truth.

I'm open to any suggestions you might have.

Oddly enough I disagree with Calvinism but I agree with him here. HeisHere will affirm whatever you say. If you're going to listen to them to back up your own POV why ask the questions? Was it you who posted the video? I'll go back and give it a further listen if I can find that post. But Mc Arthur makes a good point here.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

There is no connection between what I believe concerning the kingdom of Christ and the hatred of or the killing of any people.
Neither I nor Jesus endorses any of that.
Over using the "holocaust" slur does not help anybody.
It is a brain-stopper and is designed to polarize.
Anyway these discussions are probably already polarized beyond repair.

On the Jews and their Lies, what's your take on that? Let's start there.

 

[Beekeeper]

Brother, it is brother correct?
Thank you for these words of wisdom, I should have heeded them sooner.

I've been here a whole day, maybe two, and I am already so grieved in my spirit that I don't know how to express it.

The word of God is so crystal clear, and yet they deny every single aspect of the Gospel.

His Redemption, the Atonement, the Fatherhood of God, the New Covenant in His Blood, His Sacrifice, His High Holy Priesthood, and so much more I can't even think of right now.

They talk incessantly of replacement theology, when it is they themselves that have replaced Christ with Israel, truth for lies, the Gospel Mystery for a dime store fantasy fiction that even Joseph Smith could not have dreamed up.

This is satanic, its not a doctrinal dispute, its pure evil, its spiritual pride and so much worse than that, its madness, and the level of projection is off the charts.

They aren't even capable of entertaining the notion that they have been mislead, nor will they dare to search the scriptures for themselves for any opposing argument, and even when those scriptures are placed right before their very eyes, they will not see.

They cannot see. They hate the Truth, they hate Arabs and Muslims, they hate their brothers and sisters who cry for peace and weep for murdered women and children, they slander and obfuscate and lie. And I am beside myself because of them.

I will speak no more on this subject, and ignore every last one of them.

We need a space, those of us who have not succumbed to this deception, where we can lift one another up and rejoice and edify one another in the Spirit of Christ and love and truth.

I'm open to any suggestions you might have.

I am not a stranger to similar strong feelings, and those that disagree with us have strong feelings too.
What is needed is that we slow down and communicate.
That does not happen nearly enough, and the world is a mess because we don't.
None of us are right in the eyes of God.
Our hope is His forgiveness.