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It was prophesied that Gentiles would be called by the name Israel, foretelling the inclusion of the them into Elect Israel Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Promises to include Gen 12:3

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is linked to Isa 44:1-4

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

That's why the Spirit came as the blessing of Abraham upon the Gentiles Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

So Gentiles can call themselves Israel as Per Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is a Spiritual reality, nothing to do with the natural. 9

We are Christians, not Jews; we are spiritual Jews only. We are heirs to Abraham through Christ, IF we follow Him and do what He commands.

We can’t be Jews, we are no longer under Law. There are no Jews, nor Greeks, but all are one under Christ.
 
Sure, God is not willing that any should perish. Not all mankind is willing to be saved. I don't know what you mean by "all flesh is now dead to God after Son's done work". The whole human race is born dead in trespass and sin, and that before the Son's finished work.

A baby is not born sinful. They’re innocent and pure, as well as young children. We learn sin.
 
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A baby is not born sinful. They’re innocent and pure, as well as young children. We learn sin.
Rubbish. Do you have children? I had four. If they were innocent and pure, I'd hate to see what evil looked like. They were selfish, aggressive, demanding and disobedient. Just like every other kid I've come across. My daughter was a charmer; butter would not melt in her mouth. People would stop us in the street to fawn over her. She was also manipulative and devious, even as a toddler.

Adam sinned and died spiritually. It is also in Adam that all die - Romans 5:12.

Even King David saw his sinfulness from birth. Psalm 51:5. Yet he was the man after God's heart. 1 Samuel 13:14

If you are correct, it is possible that given the right environment, someone could live a sinless life. That contradicts God's word - all have sinned. People sin because they are sinners. They do not become sinners when they sin.
 
It was prophesied that Gentiles would be called by the name Israel, foretelling the inclusion of the them into Elect Israel Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Promises to include Gen 12:3

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is linked to Isa 44:1-4

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

That's why the Spirit came as the blessing of Abraham upon the Gentiles Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

So Gentiles can call themselves Israel as Per Isa 44:5

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

This is a Spiritual reality, nothing to do with the natural. 9
Isaiah 44 is God speaking to the people of Israel, using the name of Jacob. That God referred to Jacob is instructive. It was Israel's name before Jacob wrestled with God. He was still rebellious and devious, not having submitted to God's authority.

How do you get the gentiles from that passage? I can see no connection at all.
 
Rubbish. Do you have children? I had four. If they were innocent and pure, I'd hate to see what evil looked like. They were selfish, aggressive, demanding and disobedient. Just like every other kid I've come across. My daughter was a charmer; butter would not melt in her mouth. People would stop us in the street to fawn over her. She was also manipulative and devious, even as a toddler.

Adam sinned and died spiritually. It is also in Adam that all die - Romans 5:12.

Even King David saw his sinfulness from birth. Psalm 51:5. Yet he was the man after God's heart. 1 Samuel 13:14

If you are correct, it is possible that given the right environment, someone could live a sinless life. That contradicts God's word - all have sinned. People sin because they are sinners. They do not become sinners when they sin.

Wow! So what do you think babies and very young kids are guilty about? Babies are born pure, they don’t know anything.
This is why they’re not baptized, there’s no need. They don’t even have language skills.

It’s a bit oxymoronic to say someone doesn’t become sinners when they sin.
 
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Wow! So what do you think babies and very young kids are guilty about? Babies are born pure, they don’t know anything.
This is why they’re not baptized, there’s no need. They don’t even have language skills.

It’s a bit oxymoronic to say someone doesn’t become sinners when they sin.
You are rejecting God's word. No, babies do not sin. But it's not because they are pure. It's because the opportunity has not arisen. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe infants are consigned to hell. There is an age of responsibility when God holds them accountable. I remember the moment when I realised that what I was doing was wrong. At the same time, I realised that my father was not infallible. He made things up if he did not know the answer. Interesting. But the nature of sin is inborn. How can it not be? We inherit the nature of Adam because we are born of Adam. The biggest problem of man is not that he sins. It is that we are born dead to God. God could have forgiven all the sin of all mankind through sacrifices. That's how it worked for Israel. But the dead spirit has to be replaced with a new, live spirit. Jesus had to die and we had to die with Him. Then we rose with Him to new life.

I'll say it again, since you misunderstood me before. People are born sinners so they sin. We do not become sinners when we sin. There is no oxymoron there.
 
Wow! So what do you think babies and very young kids are guilty about? Babies are born pure, they don’t know anything.
This is why they’re not baptized, there’s no need. They don’t even have language skills.

It’s a bit oxymoronic to say someone doesn’t become sinners when they sin.

We dont become sinners because we sin....we sin because we are sinners.

Ask yourself who taught you to lie?
Who taught you to hate?
Who taught you to be rebellious?
Ect. Ect.


All of these traits are in our make up.
Accountableity for these actions start at the age of 13 by Jewish tradition. Bar mitzvah.
 
We dont become sinners because we sin....we sin because we are sinners.

Ask yourself who taught you to lie?
Who taught you to hate?
Who taught you to be rebellious?
Ect. Ect.


All of these traits are in our make up.
Accountableity for these actions start at the age of 13 by Jewish tradition. Bar mitzvah.

I understand accountability, and it is different for everyone, but that oxymoronic phrase is throwing me….
 
Did you know many in israel have already prepared for the greater tribulation?
Are you aware of how many in israel take God's word literally.
Are you aware of the escape route which is prophecy and told in revelation. Some here need to rethink their eschatology.

 
Did you know many in israel have already prepared for the greater tribulation?
Are you aware of how many in israel take God's word literally.
Are you aware of the escape route which is prophecy and told in revelation. Some here need to rethink their eschatology.


What a laugh. Petra is a UNESCO World Heritage Center with millions of yearly visitors and a large tourist infrastructure that is under 24/7 camera surveillance. Not exactly a remote place to flee to and hide lol. This just shows how out of touch with reality pop prophecy teachers are.

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/jordan/maan/amman/petra-the-treasury.html
https://worldcam.eu/webcams/asia/jordan/17052-petra-visitor-center
 
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We dont become sinners because we sin....we sin because we are sinners.

Ask yourself who taught you to lie?
Who taught you to hate?
Who taught you to be rebellious?
Ect. Ect.


All of these traits are in our make up.
Accountableity for these actions start at the age of 13 by Jewish tradition. Bar mitzvah.

Ok so we all are sinners, we all fall short. This is why we need Jesus to redeem us. Yes?
 
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Scripture affirms that called out Israel in the OT and the called out Church in the NT are One and the same. For instance Israel is call the Church Acts 7:38

38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: 9
 
You can’t just change the number from 12 to 13! Joseph’s sons are 1/2 tribes each which equals 1 tribe, hence the 12 tribes stated by God.
Either way we know God acknowledges 12


“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of 1 Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 2 Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 3 Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 4 Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 5 Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 6 Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 7 Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 8 Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 9 Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 10 Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 11 Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of 12 Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the ot tells the story of how the original tribes were named divided and blessed by isreal notice the original 12 aren’t the same

“1 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, The excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:2 Simeon and 3 Levi are brethren; Instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. 4?Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: Thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; Thy father's children shall bow down before thee. 5 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; And he shall be for an haven of ships; And his border shall be unto Zidon. 6 Issachar is a strong ass Couching down between two burdens: 7 Dan shall judge his people, As one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, An adder in the path, That biteth the horse heels, So that his rider shall fall backward. 8 Gad, a troop shall overcome him: But he shall overcome at the last. Out of 9 Asher his bread shall be fat, And he shall yield royal dainties. 10 Naphtali is a hind let loose: He giveth goodly words. 11Joseph is a fruitful bough, Even a fruitful bough by a well; Whose branches run over the wall:12 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: In the morning he shall devour the prey, And at night he shall divide the spoil.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:3, 5, 8, 13-14, 16-17, 19-22, 27‬ ‭

You see that Dan was one of the original tribes of 12 but doesn’t appear in the end instead Manasseh replaced him.

gad Benjamin juda Joseph nephtali Asher levi Reuben Simeon isaacar Zebulon are the same but in the original division and blessing theres Dan and at the end theres mannesah in his place . As the 12th tribe.

note how this patterns the apostles there were 12 original apostles but Judah is removed and oauo eas later called in his place so again in revelation you have twelve names of the apostles and not 13 or 14

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In both the ot and nt there are 12 original hiers in the ot the twelve recognized sons of Israel and in the nt the twelve recognized apostles of Jesus Christ

It’s strange how mathematical and repetetive certain numbers are in the Bible 12 , 40 , 7 , ect all have repetetive and significant representation on n Gods plans it seems
 
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Ok so we all are sinners, we all fall short. This is why we need Jesus to redeem us. Yes?

We actually do become sinners because we yeild to sin and serve it

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look at cain and what god told him

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

He’s not a captive to it yet he’s being called to overcome by choosing the good and not the evil. Children aren’t born already sinners the world influences thier minds and hearts and they grow up and serve sin through temptation. Then they become sinners

“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He did what cain refused to do he chose the good and refused the evil . God doesn’t call sinners perfect and upright he calls then sinners .

The point is noah wasn’t born a sinner job wast born a sinner they were like cain they had the choice between good and evil and like most these saints choose the good and walked with God

one man , Enoch , never even died but was translated because he walked with God his lifetime and pleased God in life . Humanity needs to realize we aren’t born to sin inherantly but we’re born to choose the good and reject the evil that comes along tempting us . A lesson cain didn’t learn and he yielded to sin and became a servant to sin . We have the choice
 
What a laugh. Petra is a UNESCO World Heritage Center with millions of yearly visitors and a large tourist infrastructure that is under 24/7 camera surveillance. Not exactly a remote place to flee to and hide lol. This just shows how out of touch with reality pop prophecy teachers are.

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/jordan/maan/amman/petra-the-treasury.html
https://worldcam.eu/webcams/asia/jordan/17052-petra-visitor-center

You are such a clown your not even close...I knew this 15 yrs ago, your posting is the entrance to the visitation ctr .
Christine has lived in israel for over 25 yrs. Her husband and her have a well respected ministry both by Muslim and Jews.
You didn't even watch what I posted let alone know the biblical land in which is clearly in the Bible and prophecy.
Your post is a joke. Such a lie it , you should hang your head in shame for that one.
 
We actually do become sinners because we yeild to sin and serve it

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look at cain and what god told him

“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭NIV‬‬

He’s not a captive to it yet he’s being called to overcome by choosing the good and not the evil. Children aren’t born already sinners the world influences thier minds and hearts and they grow up and serve sin through temptation. Then they become sinners

“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He did what cain refused to do he chose the good and refused the evil . God doesn’t call sinners perfect and upright he calls then sinners .

The point is noah wasn’t born a sinner job wast born a sinner they were like cain they had the choice between good and evil and like most these saints choose the good and walked with God

one man , Enoch , never even died but was translated because he walked with God his lifetime and pleased God in life . Humanity needs to realize we aren’t born to sin inherantly but we’re born to choose the good and reject the evil that comes along tempting us . A lesson cain didn’t learn and he yielded to sin and became a servant to sin . We have the choice

Caine killed his brother, because God respected Abel and his offering. Caine was angry and committed homicide. Yes, choices abound…. Abel was blessed, sadness for Caine.
 
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