Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So where will the 144,000 come from?

I think that represents the governmental head of the body of Christ, apart from Christ himself of course. That chapter talks about them and the great multitude, which together I think represents the head and the fullness of the body, something that appears throughout scripture. It remains to be seen who they are. Could be a selection of people throughout the ages, or a group in the end times with a special mission. They rule all nations with a rod of iron, which also is the promise given to overcomers in the church of Thyatira in Revelation. So I don't think it pertains to the flesh at all, but who am I to say.

 

[TruthDefender]

The key to understanding the identity of the 144,000 is in the following paragraph: first he hears the number sealed, then in the following paragraph he looks “and behold”, he sees the number that was sealed. A great multitude in white robes that no man can number. 144,000 people standing before one man (about two Superbowl stadiums), from “all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues”, That “all” within the great multitude includes the “nations, tribes, peoples and tongues” of Israel. The great multitude that are sealed are God’s elect from every nation, tribe, people and tongue that includes the nation and tongue of the people of Israel.

The 144K in Rev. 7:4 are those in Rev. 14:4–
these are virgin men.

-“They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[soulprobe]

The 144K in Rev. 7:4 are those in Rev. 14:4–
these are virgin men.

-“They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes... they were "redeemed from among men" and also "in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God." They were not born virgins and flawless before the throne of God.... they were redeemed by the Lamb after repentance. If they were perfect they would have not required redemption…. But we know we all require redemption because none live perfect lives before redemption, including the 144,000.

 

[Needevidence]

We got it you rather believe israel is the blame. Israel is evil got it. So noted now go and spread this lie but I must warn you the blessings and cursing of God are real.
So again believe the lie that was set before you. Listen to the enemy's report.

Its been said Billions of times Hamas was wrong - but Israel evil - yes, beyond doubt! - I’ll take my chances being against genocide

 

[Needevidence]

Dear Ms. @Needevidence some of the USA history books were overseen by Robert Maxwell, that will explain a lot.
Programming like this in schools, reinforced by dispensational based churches is a challenge to undo.

People are becoming more aware, so things will change – sooner rather than later!

 

[Yahshua]

Lets see. For thousands of years jews were persecuted for being jews. Now they should be killed because they arnt really jews?

This is what the scriptures teach when studied over just blindly listening to the pulpit (rough time graph).

 

[brightfame52]

The Church is the New Israel composed of both saved jews and gentiles. That both saved jews and gentiles are the new manifestion of Israel is understood by these inspiried words Eph 2:12

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Now Christ has made them One Commonwealth Israel Eph 2:14

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one[commonwealth/citizenship], and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Saved Gentiles now have citizenship with Israel

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens[in the commonwealth of Israel] with the saints, and of the household of God; 9

This is also pictured in Rom 11 with the Olive Tree, with saved Gentiles being Grafted into the citizenship with saved Israel the househo;d of God

 

[TruthDefender]

Yes... they were "redeemed from among men" and also "in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God." They were not born virgins and flawless before the throne of God.... they were redeemed by the Lamb after repentance. If they were perfect they would have not required redemption…. But we know we all require redemption because none live perfect lives before redemption, including the 144,000.

I would rather believe, what He said:

“These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins.”
Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, they were born virgins…as we ALL were.

 

[GWH]

There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.

Yes, God is not done with Israel, but He is almost done with Hamas.
Not sure how much longer before He is done with the Dems.

 

[HeIsHere]

People are becoming more aware, so things will change – sooner rather than later!

Yes, but most on those on this thread and similar threads on this topic are very indoctrinated.

But I support your effort since there are always those who read along who may not have his malformed entrenched view which is based on much false information/propaganda known as "hasbara."

 

[TruthDefender]

It’s interesting that those on this thread, and on other threads, refuse to talk about verses because of their indoctrination; they’re basically unable to do so.

Instead, they’re taught to ignore Truth, verses on any subject, and to only regurgitate their twisted indoctrination (which is a lot of word salad, about wrested Scripture).

 

[God-fearing]

Its been said Billions of times Hamas was wrong - but Israel evil - yes, beyond doubt! - I’ll take my chances being against genocide

As thousands of Palestinians flee to safe area doesn't sound quite like genocide to me.
Food crisis in Gaza. Question is how much can a dead person consume? Besides that what other nation feeds there enemy or are even held responsible for that?
Now that hamas is killing Palestinians no out cry about that so I guess it depends on who is doing the killing that matters most.

What I really can't get over is the fact of how many people became experts on the Jewish people and Israel after Oct 7 .
How much people know about the middle east and its politics. It astound me that so many know war fare, international law,
And so much about the prophecies, and Quran that they are willing to except Islamic government and idealism even over there Christian, judisim, and atheist faith just to be right.
History has painted the picture of Israel as a nation with a demoralizing compass. But that compass has led them back to the promised land where God will finish the work he started.

 

[HeIsHere]

As thousands of Palestinians flee to safe area doesn't sound quite like genocide to me.

Then they are bombed when they get there.

God already finished the work and promises of the OT when He sent His only begotten son, Jesus THE Christ.

He is the seed who was promised and it is all fulfilled in Him.

 

[Yahshua]

As thousands of Palestinians flee to safe area doesn't sound quite like genocide to me.

For the benefit of the thread, could you share how you define genocide?

Food crisis in Gaza. Question is how much can a dead person consume? Besides that what other nation feeds there enemy or are even held responsible for that?

Here, are you claiming that the Palestinians are the enemies of the Israelis?

Now that hamas is killing Palestinians no out cry about that so I guess it depends on who is doing the killing that matters most.

What does the word "treason" mean? And, assuming you're from the USA, what is the penalty for treason in the USA?

What I really can't get over is the fact of how many people became experts on the Jewish people and Israel after Oct 7.

Full disclosure, I had their number since 2011, but it wasn't the time to share. The tares weren't ripe to show themselves globally just yet. But The Almighty reveals all things in His time.

 

[Yahshua]

It’s interesting that those on this thread, and on other threads, refuse to talk about verses because of their indoctrination; they’re basically unable to do so.

Instead, they’re taught to ignore Truth, verses on any subject, and to only regurgitate their twisted indoctrination (which is a lot of word salad, about wrested Scripture).

What's your interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 concerning Jews based on your eschatology?

 

[God-fearing]

For the benefit of the thread, could you share how you define genocide?



Here, are you claiming that the Palestinians are the enemies of the Israelis?



What does the word "treason" mean? And, assuming you're from the USA, what is the penalty for treason in the USA?



Full disclosure, I had their number since 2011, but it wasn't the time to share. The tares weren't ripe to show themselves globally just yet. But The Almighty reveals all things in His time.

Really? This doesn't even warrant a response. As it seems you are also in denial of the truth.

 

[soulprobe]

I would rather believe, what He said:

“These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins.”
Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, they were born virgins…as we ALL were.

Well I don't believe those scriptures are about an end-time elite group of 144,000 Jewish men who were flawless and virgins from birth who believed Jesus to be the Messiah; and neither do they now.

I would rather believe, what He said:

“These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins.”
Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, they were born virgins…as we ALL were.

Yes, of course, we were all born virgins, virgins from birth.

I would rather believe, what He said:

“These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins.”
Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, they were born virgins…as we ALL were.

Yes, of course, we were all born virgins, virgins from birth. But I believe their redemption by the blood of the Lamb is what made them equivalent to flawless and undefiled virgins before the Throne of God, not their works and abstinence from birth.

 

[God-fearing]

Then they are bombed when they get there.

God already finished the work and promises of the OT when He sent His only begotten son, Jesus THE Christ.

He is the seed who was promised and it is all fulfilled in Him.

And that where your totally wrong. If it was so there would be no reason for the second coming.

 

[DeanM]

There was no covenant with Israel when they were in Egypt other than the covenant of circumcision, which they didn't keep.

nonsense. God told them it would happen and it did. Yet he didnt leave them there because He would not break His covenant.

 

[TruthDefender]

Well I don't believe those scriptures are about an end-time elite group of 144,000 Jewish men who were flawless and virgins from birth who believed Jesus to be the Messiah; and neither do they now.

Yes, of course, we were all born virgins, virgins from birth.

Yes, of course, we were all born virgins, virgins from birth. But I believe their redemption by the blood of the Lamb is what made them equivalent to flawless and undefiled virgins before the Throne of God, not their works and abstinence from birth.

The verse is simple to understand, you seem to be adding to it.