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Would everyone agree that what happened to Israel was horrific, and that Hamas (and whoever is sponsoring this evil group) is responsible??

Should we be judging other nations on whether, or not they’re righteous? Are we any better than Israel, as a nation?
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Spiritualizing is attributing spiritual qualities to carnal, worldly things. Modern Israel is a carnal nation; it's not a spiritual nation. It is of the world and speaks of the world. Treating it as if it possesses a spiritual nature is spiritualizing modern Israel.
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Lets see. For thousands of years jews were persecuted for being jews. Now they should be killed because they arnt really jews? 🤪
 
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DeanM said:
Lets see. For thousands of years jews were persecuted for being jews. Now they should be killed because they arnt really jews? 🤪
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The Jews were always defiant and in opposition to God; God proved that He was to be feared, but was also patient and merciful.

Thankfully, He sent His Son so that we could be redeemed, and become heirs through Jesus Christ.
Praise Him, King of kings, Lord of lords, God of gods!
 
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Gideon300 said:
There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.
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The key to understanding the identity of the 144,000 is in the following paragraph: first he hears the number sealed, then in the following paragraph he looks “and behold”, he sees the number that was sealed. A great multitude in white robes that no man can number. 144,000 people standing before one man (about two Superbowl stadiums), from “all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues”, That “all” within the great multitude includes the “nations, tribes, peoples and tongues” of Israel. The great multitude that are sealed are God’s elect from every nation, tribe, people and tongue that includes the nation and tongue of the people of Israel.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Spiritualizing is attributing spiritual qualities to carnal, worldly things. Modern Israel is a carnal nation; it's not a spiritual nation. It is of the world and speaks of the world. Treating it as if it possesses a spiritual nature is spiritualizing modern Israel.
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No. Im not confused.
 
God will never break his covenant with His chosen people. I wonder how Israel hasnt been destroyed since 1948? Surrounded by nations stronger than them. Hated by the world, including the UN, yet they are still there. I wonder where the 144,000 will come from? Pretty obvious to me.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
God didn't break it, Israel did. However, God kept working with them until he could make a new covenant with Israel, which he did. Two covenant thinking is confusion
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Really? Where was God for the 400 years they were in Egypt? Just one example. But as said. Believe what you want.
 
DeanM said:
Ever read tge OT? How many times Israel messed up and God left them? How many times God came back for them? But, you believe what you want.
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He did come back for them and gave them a new, much better covenant

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34​
 
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He did come back for them and gave them a new, much better covenant

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34​
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But he wont do that again?
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Spiritualizing is attributing spiritual qualities to carnal, worldly things. Modern Israel is a carnal nation; it's not a spiritual nation. It is of the world and speaks of the world. Treating it as if it possesses a spiritual nature is spiritualizing modern Israel.
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Then as you know that I disagree as I see what you are saying to manifest literally.
 
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