That national Israel that began through Abraham/Moses is gone, extinct, the israel now is a gentile country,, and since we are now in the time of the Gentiles under the New Covenant, people over there if they are elect are being saved along with other gentile elect. The jews now over there are ashkenazi jews, not the jews of the initial bloodline jews under the Old Covenant.
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Your use of bible verses are weird. You take single verses out of different books and arrange them to look like they're talking about what you believe. And no use of end time verses and prophecies. Alrighty.....
But you know what? It doesn't matter. If you don't believe in Jesus' Millennial reign, that's okay. You won't be participating in it anyway.
You should tell God He's wrong! Tell Him He has to stop protecting them! He's got the wrong people! Lol!
How is that foolish? Since you know better than God, go on and tell Him He's been protecting the wrong people!
What you mean how ? Think about what you said to me, even after I gave you scriptures for my view.How is that foolish? Since you know better than God, go on and tell Him He's been protecting the wrong people!
Well if you think you're right you should be okay with God, right? Not my fault that you walked into that.
Show me another documentary like this, you can't. The theme is God's Providence in defending a country with miracles, over and over, while other countries are attacking it. Do you accept that summary?
I didn't say you did
TabinRivCA said:
Show me another documentary like this, you can't. The theme is God's Providence in defending a country with miracles, over and over, while other countries are attacking it. Do you accept that summary?
Aaron56 said:
Correct. Never said otherwise.
I didn't say you did
Pardon me, top msg was for another member.
- From a religious and historical perspective, Israel's founding, involving the prophesied regathering of a long-exiled people and the revival of an ancient tongue, fits a traditional definition of a miracle.
- From a secular and political perspective, the USA's founding, with its successful military rebellion and the establishment of a novel and enduring system of self-government, is a remarkable event that defied political expectations.
- The Miracle of Israel’s Rebirth - ICEJ
The rebirth of Israel in May 1948 is considered a miracle. It happened just three years after the Holocaust ended. The Jewish people faced many calamities, incl..nations out to destroy Israel.
I think th Bible is talking about Millennial Israel.
It's just strange though. If you're a Christian, someone who really follows God and submits to Him so that He conforms you to Jesus' ways, I would think that person would understand and accept God's unconditional promises to us, and also to Israel. But these Jew haters consistently ignore those parts of the Bible even when you and others point it out.
They know some verses but when you're in a forum, you don't get to see if they actually do follow Jesus and conform to Him in real life - they can just write enough scripture and think people will believer they're Christians, but the fact that they refuse to acknowledge the entire Bible tells us something else.
And they act like God doesn't see what they're doing and won't have a reckoning with Him. I cringe for them every time they post because they're just making their reckoning even worse for themselves.
I'm finally starting to understand the connection now:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction
In the great apostasy, I'm learning that a Christian doesn't even have to officially renounce their faith, they just have to believe false doctrine that damages their salvation in some way.
Why is the great apostasy connected to the revealing of the antichrist? Because those people who don't love God's truth are being sent a strong delusion and will readily accept the Antichrist when he is revealed.
The promotion of false teachings have increased to hasten the great apostasy. This is why it's so important for God's faithful followers to love God's truth. His truth will protect His real followers from embracing false teachings that lead to apostasy.
The last days are really soon. The EU is going to have their elections in 2029, so some time in the 2030s, the antichrist could be revealed.
The wars we currently have now could lead to the antichrist confirming a covenant with many. The mark of beast is more possible now because every country is moving their currency over to digital.
Even the Euphrates River is continuing to dry up. If left to itself, estimates say by 2040 it would be dry, but the Bible says angels will hasten it's drying up.
All Christians who are faithful to God and love His truth, prepare to endure!
You don't need to wait until then...the AntiChrist has been revealed for a very long time now...people are just not awake to seeing it
You quote 2 Thessalonians very well. That is correct, Christians must be on guard very well not to fall into false doctrines. One of many is Christian Zionism. Even without going into the endless Prophecies that anyone who trusts in "horses/tanks, armies, military power, other allies Egypt/USA" will pay a severe price says the L-rd. Jesus and Paul clearly outline what our weapons are Ephesians 6. In fact that is exactly why he outlines it like that, is because human nature wants war...so he says...here is your battle-gear...not genocide, sniping children, starvation etc....what kind of light of Jesus is this if you agree to such atheistic evil and inhumane ways of dealing with an enemy? But lots of fake pastors and theologies have seeped into Christians because they haven't been strong and wise enough as they should sadly.
I am happy to see G-d is with you!
“The most high rules in the kingdoms of men and gives it to whomsoever He will.”
Daniel 4:17
Roman’s 13:1- “There is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.”
“He removes Kings and raises up kings.” Daniel 2:21
“He rules over nations.” Psalms 22:28
So the answer is “yes”, modern Israel exists according to God’s will.” But so does Russia, China, and the Muslims—and EVERY NATION THAT EXISTS! God rules in the kingdoms of men. He uses evil kingdoms as well as “righteous” kingdoms. Just because Israel exists does not mean they have God’s approval, nor that God is protecting them. Twice in the scriptures The Holy Spirit says they do not have God. 1 John 2:23 and 2 John 9. I don’t care what men say or think, I will have to take the word of the Holy Spirit.
“The most high rules in the kingdoms of men and gives it to whomsoever He will.”
Daniel 4:17
Roman’s 13:1- “There is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.”
“He removes Kings and raises up kings.” Daniel 2:21
“He rules over nations.” Psalms 22:28
So the answer is “yes”, modern Israel exists according to God’s will.” But so does Russia, China, and the Muslims—and EVERY NATION THAT EXISTS! God rules in the kingdoms of men. He uses evil kingdoms as well as “righteous” kingdoms. Just because Israel exists does not mean they have God’s approval, that He is with them, or that God is protecting them.
The Holy Spirit says they DO NOT HAVE GOD! (Twice: 1 John 2:23 and 2 John 9) I don’t care what men may say or think about Israel, I will believe what God says about them.
I didn't say you did
Perhaps it was an accident, but the quote I responded to was not the quote you posted.
Here it is:
The implication is that Israel has the right to exist as a nation. To go further: the world created it so it is now governed by the ways of the world and open to the criticism of the world... just like every other country.
As far as I know, except in one small verse perhaps, America is never mentioned in the Bible. It certainly wasn't born in a day. So if it isn't Israel, who do they think it is? Replacement theology was working, God was done with Israel and the Jews, until 1948 happened. More than one prophecy was fulfilled that day. Yet they continually try to deny it. Stunning to me.
Really? Who is the anti-Christ that we have all missed?
Not sure how to say this without sounding sarcastic. But should Israel just sit and let it's enemies slaughter them? Oct 7 is the closest the Jews have been to the Holocaust since Israel's founding. Why would God not allow them to defend their nation?
No, I don't think so. Israel has given up land for peace. They have tried many times to have a lasting peace treaty, every time they have been turned down. How can you make peace with people who refuse it?
Every single country in the world has a military and defends themselves when needed. And innocent people die in these wars. With the attack on Oct. 7, taking hostages, slaughtering families, children and adults alike, Hamas knew there would be retribution. And it could have been stopped the day after it started, just send the hostages home. Hamas refused. The blood is on their hands.
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