Israel.

[God-fearing]

I am getting fed up with this debate. The question is very simple and people are making it way too complicated. Does modern Israel exist according to God's will or not? Answer me that and I'll respond to you.

I believe that this Israel has come about by the hand of God. Regardless of the political aspect that surround it.
I've searched scripture on the pro and con side but have not come across of a counterfeit Israel as some suggest.
To many prophetic events have happened since its one day birth to ignore or disclaime its authenticity.
I have never come across a nation like this in history that has been so scrutinize in its right to exist.
Since the events of Jerusalem becoming its capital and the Abraham accords attempt to bring peace only furthers my belief.
Keeping in mind also that those that oppose its right to exist give voice to countries that are against our God and Israel's God
Whether knowingly or un knowingly. The persecution does not stop with Israel but has now been escalated against the church.
Another end time prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

 

[brightfame52]

@Gideon300

I am getting fed up with this debate. The question is very simple and people are making it way too complicated. Does modern Israel exist according to God's will or not? Answer me that and I'll respond to you.

Yes it does exist according to Gods will as so does any other country, usa, russia, or any other.

 

[brightfame52]

Dale Crawford in his sermon on the New Covenant says:

The New Covenant is not a restored Old Covenant, and it's not a replacement of the Old Covenant. I did not mean to say that it's not a fulfillment, but it is not taking the old covenant and somehow making the old covenant new

. It is the fulfillment of the old covenant promises. The church is the people with whom the covenant is made. Second of all, it pointed to the future. But it is a new covenant. And this new covenant is significant. Behold the days are coming declares the Lord when I will make a new covenant. Now, look at you know, the elements of this new covenant. It's given to a particular people. Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel. Now, this phrase, house of Israel, is given 150 times in the Old Testament, referring to the physical nation of Israel. But Hebrews 8 and 10 identifies this new covenant people as those purchased by the blood of Christ. It is the church, the true house of God. Hebrews 10, 19, Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which he inaugurated for us through the veil that is his flesh, and since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart and full assurance of faith. In the New Covenant, the Church is the fulfillment of this covenant promise in Jeremiah 31. Dispensationalists sometimes accuse covenant theology as being replacement theology. What they say is, we believe, not only covenant
but as you consider the whole matter of eschatology, those who hold to Amil eschatology, they accuse of being replacement theology. But the truth is, the New Covenant Church is the fulfillment of God's promises to national Israel, and there is an organic continuity between Israel and the Church. I can say this, as we are accused of replacement theology, and this is John MacArthur's charge levied against covenant theology. He says that we are holding the position of replacement theology whereby the church has replaced Israel. The church has not replaced Israel. The church is Israel. And that's an important distinction. Israel was the flowing forth of God's covenant promises, pointing forth to the Lord Jesus Christ, and the church is now the full revelation of Israel.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermons/222192017192668

 

[Aaron56]

I am getting fed up with this debate. The question is very simple and people are making it way too complicated. Does modern Israel exist according to God's will or not? Answer me that and I'll respond to you.

Yes. But so does every other country. #shrug

 

[TabinRivCA]

Yes. But so does every other country. #shrug

And Israel has the right to, too.

 

[brightfame52]

And Israel has the right to, too.

And so does any other country, if it exists by the will of God. Not only that, when the Lord returns the second time at the end of the world, all the earth will be burned up to include your israel land over there 2 Pet 3:10-13

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

May the Lord be pleased to direct your hearts to heavenly things and take them off of earthly things like a plot of dirt over in the middle east.

Phil 3 19

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

And so does any other country, if it exists by the will of God. Not only that, when the Lord returns the second time at the end of the world, all the earth will be burned up to include your israel land over there 2 Pet 3:10-13

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

May the Lord be pleased to direct your hearts to heavenly things and take them off of earthly things like a plot of dirt over in the middle east.

Phil 3 19

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

You're skipping right over the Millennial reign of King Jesus though. He rules from Jerusalem during that time.

Seeing as how you believe in a lot of false teaching that the Holy Spirit didn't teach you, you might not even get to participate in the Millennial age or the new Jerusalem and new earth afterwards.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates – the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." – Genesis 15:18–21. Canaan includes Palestine y'all.

This kind of 'miraculous' stuff happens in any war. I recently saw a video of a Ukrainian drone exploding next to a Russian soldier who got up and walked away. Your Holywood video doesn't mention the numerous incidents of IDF soldiers getting ambushed and killed. Why? Becaue they don't fit the narrative you're inebriated on.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I am getting fed up with this debate. The question is very simple and people are making it way too complicated. Does modern Israel exist according to God's will or not? Answer me that and I'll respond to you.

Nothing happens in this world that is not God's will. Just because he allows something to happen doesn't mean that it's of him.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Who cares what any man says, dig up anyone you love. God is alive and well in Israel PROTECTING Israel to this day. Here's some education for you...Israel will remain standing only by God's Providence til the end.

But not for the reason you think:

I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, [and] lest they should say, Our hand [is] high, and the LORD hath not done all this. For they [are] a nation void of counsel, neither [is there any] understanding in them. Deuteronomy 32:26-28​

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And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Revelation 16:19​

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And the ten horns which thou saw upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, for God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. Revelation 17:16-17​

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And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Revelation 18:21​

 

[brightfame52]

@2ndTimeIsTheCharm

You're skipping right over the Millennial reign of King Jesus though. He rules from Jerusalem during that time.

Thats happening now from the Jerusalem above where He sits on the Right Hand of God Heb 12:22-24

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

He is reigning 1 Pet 3:22

22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

1 Cor 15:24-25

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

See its Spiritual, the Millennium reign is Spiritual

 

[resto]

What we call Israel(The country and people today) God refers to as Jacob. They are not transformed by repentance yet. This will happen when "They Shall Mourn For Him They Have Pierced As For An Only Son". This is what brings Jesus to the Earth at the end of the 3.5 years of "Jacobs Trouble". Then Jesus will take those who were in Present day Israel and form a new Israel for 1000 years. So if God repopulates the Earth with people who are alive today in the Country Israel, I think its safe to say they are Gods People. I remember the last lines of a speech by Bibi years ago at the UN. "For Thousands Of Years Empires Have Tried To Destroy Israel". "None Of Those Empires Are Represented Here". "We Were Here Before You And We Will Be Here After You Are Gone". Even I was shaken by his words, knowing where he was and who he was speaking to. Yes Israel, Gods 900 Pound Gorilla in the room. Daniel said they would be cast out of the land again for almost 2000 years and god would Miraculously put them back. So yeah, I think Present day Israel is Gods Israel and Im not messing with them or Bad Mouthing them. Let them do what ever they do or will do, in Gaza, Yemen, Iran or any place they choose to Bomb, get out of the way.

 

[Gideon300]

@Gideon300



Yes it does exist according to Gods will as so does any other country, usa, russia, or any other.

The difference is the way that those nations began. Israel is the only nation to be formed in a day and the only nation to overcome an invasion by the armies of 5 nations. That is a miraculous beginning. Israel is unique.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The difference is the way that those nations began. Israel is the only nation to be formed in a day and the only nation to overcome an invasion by the armies of 5 nations. That is a miraculous beginning. Israel is unique.

America's formation was much more miraculous. It was the only British colony to defeat the British empire, and it was born in a day on July 4, 1776

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The IDF FACTS:

- They have the highest rate of Abortion...G-d HATES THIS

The claim that the IDF has the highest rate of abortion is not accurate. In fact, the overall legal rate of abortion in Israel is 12.2%, which is significantly lower than the rate in the IDF, which is approximately 6 times greater than the national average.

- They are so immoral in the army, that young girls and boys sleep together in bunches

Within the context of Religious Zionist opposition to the army "mixed gender directive," the army has decided to establish separate living quarters for male and female soldiers at pillbox military posts.
An IDF official confirmed the details. At the end of 2017, when Chief of Staff Gadi Eizenkot had promised Religious Zionist rabbis that mixed-gender army bathrooms would be cancelled.

- The IDF provides various contraceptives and tells girls to take special pills every morning

So does America, and a lot of countries I'd bet.

- The IDF themselves ADMITS to a "Cannibal Directive" that states: We must kill our own people if they are being taken as hostages so they enemy doesn't have leverage.

What's your point here? Plz elaborate.

-- Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because they cannot live with what they did 45+ now and 1000's in PTSD because they all state the same thing: "This is not a war...no one is fighting us...were are just killing, murdering, raping women etc".

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1d711knht

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

"on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea. "

Do they hold the testimony of Jesus?

I dont hate Israel, I support Israel's right to exist.[/QUOTE]


Well there is something we can certainly agree on.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Correct their will be a future Israel...but who says its now? Do you even live in Israel? Are you even aware of all the Religious Jews screaming daily how evil the State is?

Ummm aren't the "religious Jews" the ones who came against Jesus? I wouldn't be looking to them for answers, they don't even believe their Messiah has come.

 

[Gideon300]

America's formation was much more miraculous. It was the only British colony to defeat the British empire, and it was born in a day on July 4, 1776

No, America was not a nation "born in one day". The phrase "a nation born in a day" is Isaiah 66:8, used to describe something astonishing and sudden.

The United States was formed through a complex, lengthy process involving the American Revolution and the subsequent drafting and ratification of the Constitution, a process that took many years.

Israel went through no such process. It was not a colony so there was no revolution.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, America was not a nation "born in one day". The phrase "a nation born in a day" is Isaiah 66:8, used to describe something astonishing and sudden.

The United States was formed through a complex, lengthy process involving the American Revolution and the subsequent drafting and ratification of the Constitution, a process that took many years.

Israel went through no such process. It was not a colony so there was no revolution.

So was Israel. You're delusional if you think Israel was suddenly born in a day. There were decades of preparation on a global scale for it to happen.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So was Israel. You're delusional if you think Israel was suddenly born in a day. There were decades of preparation on a global scale for it to happen.

Some historical facts may help.

"When Israel declared themselves a sovereign nation on May 14th, 1948, the president of the United States was Harry S. Truman, and it took him only 11 minutes to issue this proclamation –

“This government has been informed that a Jewish state has been proclaimed in Palestine, and recognition has been requested by the provisional government thereof.”

“The United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the state of Israel.”