I do take it literally. The literal Israel is in heaven. You can't seem to make that connection. It is more real than any earthly nation
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I do take it literally. The literal Israel is in heaven. You can't seem to make that connection. It is more real than any earthly nation
The fact is that there is no Palestine and therefore no Palestinians. The Arabs who lived in the land of Israel could have remained there when the state of Israel was created. They did not. Why? Mostly because the nations that attacked Israel advised them to leave because it was going to get bloody. Israel was expected to be destroyed. God had other ideas.
Some Arabs stayed. There are 2 million living in Israel right now. They are citizens and have equal rights. Do you know how many Jews now live in Arabs countries? A few hundred. They have been driven out by Arab Muslims. Funny how the world ignores this fact. Genocide? That's what Hamas, Iran's puppet wants. And Hezbollah, the Houthi and Iran's regime. Scratch a Muslim and you will find an anti Semite. They are also anti Christ. What do you expect from the followers of a mass murdering paedophile?
A Shia sect believes Israel must be destroyed before their fake messiah can return. There is a Muslim saying, "first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people". Europe is dominated by Muslims. The UK is effectively a Muslim state. And America is firmly in their sights. Sharia law, coming your way soon.
That prophecy that Israel was born in a day is really a miracle. Not only was this done in one day, but Israel was brought forth whole - not divided like it was into Judah and Israel before they were all exiled.
Naw it wouldn’t surprise me if that happened could be part of the delusion god allows for those who reject Christ, as many jews tend to do along with many gentile nations based upon other religions like Judaism Islam Buddhism Hinduism atheism ectYou shouldn't be surprised then, when the unsaved Jews and the antichrist builds the third Jewish temple.
it’s a possibility but in my estimation it’s not zgods plan to rebuild and choose Jerusalem on this earth but rather place a restored Jerusalem on a new earth
Yeah like I was saying those who support modern israel created by men after the war will see it one way , those who support Palestine will have the same rants but with alternative facts “ proving” they are the victims and the others are the evil ones ……
This is the difference between walking by sight and walking by faith. Carnal Christians need an earthly Israel to see with their eyes due to weak faith. Spiritual Christians believe God's word that his holy nation is above, which he will bring with him when he returns to earth. That can't be seen with the eyes, so it must be discerned by faith.
So there are no Christians on earth now? Strange, you and I are still here. We are seated with Christ in heavenly places. The church is both spiritual and physical. Likewise Israel.
Do you not know that the Church is grafted into Israel? The graft is not the tree. If there is no tree, there is no graft.
One difference: there is no Palestine. Israel does exist.
yeah it’s a result of a world war and the western worlds will.
God already helped Israel recapture and control Jerusalem in the 6 Day War in 1967. Then Pres. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's official capital in 2017, fifty years later. I would say that God had planned and caused all that.
Even the antichrist wants Israel and Jerusalem to exists because he knows King Jesus will rule from there and he wants to imitate Him to try to fool people into following him.
Israel and Jerusalem has to be in place during the Millennial age as well because that is from where Jesus will rule for the thousand years. NOT in the third Jewish temple, but from where David and his successors ruled.
Then after the 1,000 years are up and the great white throne judgement has been decided, that's when the new earth and new jerusalem are presented.
It's quite wonderous what God is doing for Israel and Jerusalem despite all the murderous hate toward them!
Yeah the “ anti christ “ wouldn’t that be the side of a people who reject Jesus and his name as a lie And heresy ? And follow a different religion though ?God already helped Israel recapture and control Jerusalem in the 6 Day War in 1967. Then Pres. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's official capital in 2017, fifty years later. I would say that God had planned and caused all that.
Even the antichrist wants Israel and Jerusalem to exists because he knows King Jesus will rule from there and he wants to imitate Him to try to fool people into following him.
Israel and Jerusalem has to be in place during the Millennial age as well because that is from where Jesus will rule for the thousand years. NOT in the third Jewish temple, but from where David and his successors ruled.
Then after the 1,000 years are up and the great white throne judgement has been decided, that's when the new earth and new jerusalem are presented.
It's quite wonderous what God is doing for Israel and Jerusalem despite all the murderous hate toward them!
And …..yeah ….even while they bombard civilians in his name with terrible weapons of war bought and paid for . Weapons invented by man in lust for thier power and domination of others on earth .
And even as tbier capitol was achieved by a United States executive order . And even as Muslims control thier most holy site and two parts of the land they all kill each other for which borders the men who creeted it got wrong anyways .
yeah boy he’s really doing alot for them in Jesus name ….even as they reject Jesus name ….who told them when he came and walked among them
“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected Is become the head of the corner: This was the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?”
Mark 12:6-11 KJV
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.”
Matthew 21:43-44
As long as anyone Jew gentile …human being rejects Jesus Christ and the gospel they cannot and will
Not be blessed by God of an Israelite rejects Jesus they have no more Hope than a gentile who rejects Jesus. Rejecting Jesus Christ is rejecting the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Even more ot will bring down all the wrath of heaven on a Mans head and whatever nation he lives in or cave he hides in
Without this Israel the people have no Hope at all
Every promise they ever heard led to this
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Sometimes we get so stuck on being right it’s more important than what’s actually pretty obvious and plainly stated multiple times. But it’s not an offense to me if you dont …..agree I’m okay woth it . It’s okay for people to have different opinions and views they don’t have to become enemies or argue about it . I respect your right to believe whatever you want and don’t think any less of you when we don’t agree
these discussions are discussions they don’t have to be arguments and lead to bad feelings or anything and we do t always have to chi ange the other persons mind or feel like they are against us .
It is sad when people only have eyes for one way. Only able to see things the way they have already concluded it to be.
Search and you will find...
The bible is filled with topological examples and plan texts to show us that the Israel is anyone that accepts Jesus and becomes a child of God through Jesus.
The more I study and the deeper I go the more it becomes clear. Spiritual Israel is not determined by race, blood or land, it is able being a child of God through Jesus.
Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
The literal Israel doctrine is a big distraction of the Devil.
well stated . I was thinking it could be part of a delusion to sort of distract from true things also . but it’s only my opinion. The good lord knows I’ve been wrong before many times about many things and probably will be again . But it’s interesting for discussion I think and helps studies to discuss and consider.
and It surely is how I read the scriptures just like you’re saying it’s everywhere and really clear . Even the whole story of what happened and why
the Old Testament is really an intruiging story of the relationship between God and the children of isreal ( Jacobs’s new name . But it’s really tumultuous and rocky up and down mostly down and it has a culmination at Christ and the gospel
the New Testament is made with israel and then everyone else after . is actually about aBrahmans children of many nations and not a single nation as your saying there
the the literal israel doctrine isn’t a lie , it’s written in their covenant that if they repented and obeyed all his ordinance and commandments then it would have happened .
Some have missing info , others have less missing info but God knows
I watched and read all of the past postings here and just want to say some here are really close to identifying the kingdom of God and some here not so much.
If your looking for the kingdom to come..... from Israel .....you won't find it.
If you take and make up a spiritual Israel......you won't find it.
If you say right the church is the replacement of Israel.......not even close.
The Kingdom of God is found in Christ Jesus but what is not found is a jew, a gentile, male, female, but all are one.
So what is this kingdom of God you might ask. Well its just that. A brand new Kingdom no jew no gentile everyone of equal stature.
Jesus did not come from the priestly levite tribe but from the order of Melchezidek which supersedes the levites. That is what Paul points out in Hebrews.
God has used the jews as a catalyst to bring forth his son. All scripture points to him so we can come to know him to hear him to abide in him. To trust him. To be found in him.
Jerusalem was declared the capital by king David as a neutral point where all people's could gather. Where is Jerusalem in Israel Gods land. The focal point the world's topic today. Is the capital Jerusalem? In Revelation where do the nations gather to honor the king?
Jerusalem. The king that rules with a iron rod teaching those nations and people's how to love God and there neighbors to live in peace.
If your looking for the kingdom to come..... from Israel .....you won't find it.
If you take and make up a spiritual Israel......you won't find it.
If you say right the church is the replacement of Israel.......not even close.
The Kingdom of God is found in Christ Jesus but what is not found is a jew, a gentile, male, female, but all are one.
So what is this kingdom of God you might ask. Well its just that. A brand new Kingdom no jew no gentile everyone of equal stature.
Jesus did not come from the priestly levite tribe but from the order of Melchezidek which supersedes the levites. That is what Paul points out in Hebrews.
God has used the jews as a catalyst to bring forth his son. All scripture points to him so we can come to know him to hear him to abide in him. To trust him. To be found in him.
Jerusalem was declared the capital by king David as a neutral point where all people's could gather. Where is Jerusalem in Israel Gods land. The focal point the world's topic today. Is the capital Jerusalem? In Revelation where do the nations gather to honor the king?
Jerusalem. The king that rules with a iron rod teaching those nations and people's how to love God and there neighbors to live in peace.
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
18“Do not call to mind the former things; pay no attention to the things of old. 19Behold, I am about to do something new; even now it is coming. Do you not see it? Indeed, I will make a way in the wilderness and streams in the desert. 20The beasts of the field will honor Me, the jackals and the ostriches, because I provide water in the wilderness and rivers in the desert, to give drink to My chosen people.…
Isaiah 42:9
Behold, the former things have happened, and now I declare new things. Before they spring forth I proclaim them
Isaiah 51:3
For the LORD will comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; He will make her wilderness like Eden and her desert like the garden of the LORD. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and melodious song.
Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
18“Do not call to mind the former things; pay no attention to the things of old. 19Behold, I am about to do something new; even now it is coming. Do you not see it? Indeed, I will make a way in the wilderness and streams in the desert. 20The beasts of the field will honor Me, the jackals and the ostriches, because I provide water in the wilderness and rivers in the desert, to give drink to My chosen people.…
Isaiah 42:9
Behold, the former things have happened, and now I declare new things. Before they spring forth I proclaim them
Isaiah 51:3
For the LORD will comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; He will make her wilderness like Eden and her desert like the garden of the LORD. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and melodious song.
Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
Who is the election in this verse then? Other than the people of Israel? Who else could it be referring to when it says for the fathers' sake? I take the fathers to be a reference to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
I note that you havent responded to the post regarding our discussion;
As to the 'forever'
You seem to have copied from the web page ‘Hebrew word lessons’ – but overlooked mentioning it refers to - Strong's 5769 – so why not go to that instead?
Other points you have ignored;
Why the need of a ‘New Covenant’?
Why the ‘UNTIL’ – if forever?
Circumcise – if ‘forever’ – putting aside the argument that Jesus fulfilled everything – will this be still required when Jesus returns?
Another or many examples:
Jonah 2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever [olam]. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.
Forever OR three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17)?
Please help me to show where I am going wrong in teh below;
A Couple of points before I explain the forever / everlastings.
Abraham was not a Jew, nor was Issac or Jacob (his name was Israel – not a name of a country)– the word Jew came long after.
We have Christian Jews & Arabs – from this one should understand that Jew is a race, nation not a religion.
The people were ordered to follow Abraham - Genesis 12:3 – I bless those who bless you (Abraham) – can be any race, colour or area.
Conditional – exodus 19:5-6 – “if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,..”
Jeramiah 11:10 – they have turned back going after other Gods – how could they have broken my covenant
Descendent – Most Jews of today are NOT descendants of Jacob – as I explained they are ‘Khazars’ converts to Judaism – and Ashkenazi (majority of Jews today) are from them – they have no ancestral ties to Abraham or Jacob etc and are not Semites. They are European Jews from what is now Russia, moved to eastern Europe and from there onwards.
They follow the Talmud not the Torah which they see as just historical, apart from when they want to commit Genocide.
Hence why Israel has banned DNA - what are the scared of?
Where are Abrahams MANY nations – if only one race the Jews?
Genesis 17:4–5
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
As to forever;
- Strong's Concordance 5769
olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity
Original Word: עוֹלָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: olam
Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
Definition: long duration, antiquity, futurity
le’olam - denotes a very long period of time, but nonetheless has an end point.
ad olam – forever (possibly)
olam - long duration, antiquity, futurity
SO NOT FOREVER
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- Jeremiah 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
[if forever, everlasting - why a 'new convent' not like those with your ancestors?]
- Jeremiah 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
Note: Jeremiah came long after Abraham, Issac, Jacob – so a new covenant – not like ancestors so is Abrahms everlasting or NOT?
a conflict after one passage
Isaiah 32: 14 For the palace will be forsaken, the busy city abandoned. The hill and the watchtower will become caves forever (‘ō-w-lām)—the delight of wild donkeys and a pasture for flocks—
15 until the Spirit is poured out upon us from on high. Then the desert will be an orchard, and the orchard will seem like a forest.
SO IS IT forever or until?
Please show me where I am incorrect - Probably all will be ignored when not able to respond!
Also Is the circumcise covenant everlasting / forever or NOT?
Gen 17:13 - Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.
The word used is - owlam / root olam?
If so, noting the passage is to followers of Abraham not Jews, his household ‘seed’ ‘descendants’ and not his ‘seed’.
- will it be required on all when Jesus returns?
- Show me where I am wrong with passages / evidence if you have any?
- Anywhere where it says that Jews / nation is defending forever by God?
Jonah 2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever [olam]. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.
Forever OR three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17)?
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