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With this is have to say your spiritual and mine differs. Mine is from the Holy one of Israel.....yours by your own or seducing kind.
With this I end any conversation with you. I tried to reason and gave you a kudos you came back judgmental and now this?
Your defense is weak at best. May the Lord open your eyes.
Since Im the one who initially mentioned the Zechariah passage, Id like to clarify. John says in John 19 that they will look on Him whom they have pierced, but he does not elaborate on them mourning for Him As one would an only son as in Zechariah. Many times Scripture has a double fulfillment. It may be partially fulfilled and then completely fulfilled at a later time. Were people weeping at the cross and mourning greatly. Yes, some were! His followers. But the Zechariah passage seems to indicate vast numbers weeping and in absolute travail maybe literally all Israel at the time! This did not occur initially. When it says they will look on Him they have pierced, it's like you and I . We weren't there but when the revelation of what He did for us is known it brought us to true repentance so we went and mourned over our sin. I think it will be so extremely intense for Israel as they will recognize that Yeshua was bone of their bone, and that He already came to them , and was Whom they had been looking for all along!!!
Other examples would be Isaiah 61:1-3 and Luke 4:18-19. You will note that in the Luke passage Jesus mentions one of the major aspects of His Messiahship as the opening of the eyes of the blind. Notice, it is not in Isaiah, but how many blind did Jesus heal? It was major in His ministry. Could it be because it pointed to man's spiritual blindness as well. Then there is the passage in Matthew, 2"Out of Egypt, have I called my Son. It was first cited in Hisea. Was Jacob(Israel) not sent to Egypt to survive famine but then his descendants forced to leave centuries later because of Pharoah's edict to murder the Hebrews. Once again, Egypt is a haven for a descendant of Jacob, Jesus, tonprotect Him until safe to return to Israel (specifically Nazareth- meaning the branch).
Sometimes the Scripture deals with the natural and the spiritual. If we're born again, we are spiritual but we live in a natural body and a spiritual and natural world.
Other examples would be Isaiah 61:1-3 and Luke 4:18-19. You will note that in the Luke passage Jesus mentions one of the major aspects of His Messiahship as the opening of the eyes of the blind. Notice, it is not in Isaiah, but how many blind did Jesus heal? It was major in His ministry. Could it be because it pointed to man's spiritual blindness as well. Then there is the passage in Matthew, 2"Out of Egypt, have I called my Son. It was first cited in Hisea. Was Jacob(Israel) not sent to Egypt to survive famine but then his descendants forced to leave centuries later because of Pharoah's edict to murder the Hebrews. Once again, Egypt is a haven for a descendant of Jacob, Jesus, tonprotect Him until safe to return to Israel (specifically Nazareth- meaning the branch).
Sometimes the Scripture deals with the natural and the spiritual. If we're born again, we are spiritual but we live in a natural body and a spiritual and natural world.
John said in John 19:34, 37 that the Roman soldier stabbed Christ in order to fulfill Zechariah 12:10. Do you believe that?
I think the import of what Zechariah meant was that Christ would be mourned in private, not publically as kings would have been mourned in Zechariah's time. Anyone who has studdied Zechariah knows that he can't be taken literally always because he was a very enigmatic writer.
You think Israel is going to be destroyed and before Armageddon. You sound like Antichrist yourself.
What does eschatology have to do with the faith of Christ? nada. You can get every bit of eschatology wrong and still believe in and live like Christ, which is the only thing that will give you entrance into the kingdom of God. So really, anti-Christ are those things that replace Christ and take away from his glory.
This is not the point. Do you then deny that Israel has any place in Gods plan.
Then you should notice that in Gods word you find only two descriptions from nations
in the world. Either Isarel or nations.
As Christians we are out from Israel (jews) or the nations. But God has with us an different plan then with Israel.
KJ21
And they shall lay thee even with the ground and thy children within thee; and they shalt not leave in thee one stone upon another, because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”
Yeah what is important about eschatology
Jerusalem didn't know the time of Christ's visitation because it didn't know him and wasn't of him. Those who knew and believed in him, ie his people, escaped .
What do you mean by Israel? Israel after the flesh has no future with God, whereas Israel after the spirit will of course be saved.
The temple was destroyed in 70 AD just as Christ Jesus prophesied.
If you 'claim' Israel will be destroyed before Armageddon then your anti-
scripture. Plus all the self-pleasing misinterpretations of Scripture is antichrist. All Scripture is inspired of God, ie anointed, Christ the Word.
You don't even know what it means.
So the teachers and scholars of the time did not study Daniel's prophecy? That gives the exact day? Are you kidding me?
What a lame excuse you gave. That was their eschatology.
But what do I know . So According to your comment Jesus was wrong in holding them accountable.
But I'm the one in question here? You and your side kick need to really up grade your responses.
Then why didn't they acknowledge their messiah if they were so on top of things? Obviously, it takes spritual discernment to understand prophecy, which they didn't have.
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