Can you tell me what you're getting at? I'm not sure how much time I'll have.I want to share something about the remnant and how it relates to the thread.Hopefully tonight at the latest.
Israel.
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The house of Israel and the house of Judah, one nation re-united in the lord, received the holy spirit on the day of Pentecost.
Could you please show me where that is? If not how about the ones that agreed with your post.
He is speaking from Christians, if I am not wrong. He speaks not from Israel.
What for an genocide? Btw The german government is a wordly government, as all governments are. So in Future also germany will along with america march against Israel.I just heard that Germany is going to stop sending arms to Israel... just breaking but could be true.
But the word is they do not want do not want to be party to another genocide. thankfully they are realizing one was more than enough.
Germany must not have gotten the memo about protecting Jerusalem, looks like God and the USA will continue on, I guess God will have to send the drones, tanks, bombs and munitions down from the sky or something.
But the real test will be when American soldiers leave in uniforms and come back in body bags, then we shall how long the fervor to protect Jerusalem lasts.
The whole thing is horrible all due to human greed and blackmail.
Wow, one of my favorite topics. While we speak of the 144,000 Jews of Revelation, that does not mean they are the only Jews to know Messiah in the End Times. It is said there are more believers in Yeshua among the Jews in Israel today than in the 1sr Century. Paul speaks of their being grafted in again. That their blindness now is in part. There will be another day because Zechariah speaks of a time when they will look on Yeshua whom they have pierced and mourn for Him As one mourns for an only son. The Scriptures say that He also has broken down the wall between Jews and Gentiles. Finally, Paul says he would rather be accursed from God if irmt would mean Israel would be saved.
My point? Israel is most definitely a central figure in the Lord's plan.
Yeshua died for the sins of the world making us all responsible for His death, unless anyone is totally sinless. Greater mourning may be experienced by Israel because they are of His line, His family. Rejection hurts from anyone but let your family reject you and wow that's horrible. They will have their eyes open but the same Lord who said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" will embrace them . Does the scripture not also say, Had they known, they would not have Crucified the Lord of glory?"
I think when people are ethnically non-Jewish believers , they fear giving Israel credence. Maybe, they assume it means the Lord loves them less. Not so. I think I may have sone Jewish ancestry way back but whether I do or dont, the Lord loves me as much! But there are special callings. In Ronans 11, Paul says "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance," Here , it is referring to Jewish believers.
My point? Israel is most definitely a central figure in the Lord's plan.
Yeshua died for the sins of the world making us all responsible for His death, unless anyone is totally sinless. Greater mourning may be experienced by Israel because they are of His line, His family. Rejection hurts from anyone but let your family reject you and wow that's horrible. They will have their eyes open but the same Lord who said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" will embrace them . Does the scripture not also say, Had they known, they would not have Crucified the Lord of glory?"
I think when people are ethnically non-Jewish believers , they fear giving Israel credence. Maybe, they assume it means the Lord loves them less. Not so. I think I may have sone Jewish ancestry way back but whether I do or dont, the Lord loves me as much! But there are special callings. In Ronans 11, Paul says "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance," Here , it is referring to Jewish believers.
The house of Judah
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2:14
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:16-17
The house of IsraelYe men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22
The houses of Israel and Judah re-united as one people (nation) in the lord, ie, a spiritual nation born in one dayThen Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41
Anyone alive who is not a believer in Christ will suffer God's wrath. Believers in Christ are Christians regardless of ethnicity.
Fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. Zechariah 12:10
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. John 19:36-37
For the past nearly 2000 years believing Jews have been grafted in. There is no "again" because nothing has changed, and nothing will change. Believing Jews always have been and always will be welcomed into the kingdom of God.
Gathering His Children
The current nation of Israel is still largely made up of the original southern kingdom of Judah, while the tribes of the northern kingdom remain largely scattered. But we know God promises to gather His children and reunite the two kingdoms one day (Matthew 24:31
; Mark 13:27). We see this prophecy beginning to be fulfilled today as many Jews are now returning to Israel in what is called “making Aliyah.”Unfortunately, the day of a full reunion has not yet come. And it may not come at all until Jesus returns to claim His kingdom fully. But we’ll know when the day comes. The Israelites will once again proudly proclaim, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord (Matthew 23:39
).” I see what you mean here but its a prophecy yet to be fulfilled. Perhaps this was a shadow of things to come. Thank you for sharing this insite with me it sharpens my understanding of objective viewpoints. I believe prophecy is fulfilled physically, so the eye can see the testimony of God. See that it isn't so. I have spoken it I will do it. Behold....all points to physical.
Ignoring what scripture says to project prophecy fulfillment into the future is unbelief. John 19:36-37 literally says the Zechariah prophecy was fulfilled, yet you say it wasn't. smh
Romans 11
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in,
for God is able to graft them in again.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters,
so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in
part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.
The full number of Gentiles didn't come in 2000 yrs ago. That means the Jews are still blinded.
This is what dispensensationalists remind me of.
The serpent: "Yea, hath God said that Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucifixion?"
The serpent: "Zechariah 12:10 surely hasn't been fulfilled for God doth know that its fulfillment lies in the future"
The serpent: "Yea, hath God said that Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled at Christ's crucifixion?"
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. Zechariah 12:10
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. John 19:36-37
The serpent: "Zechariah 12:10 surely hasn't been fulfilled for God doth know that its fulfillment lies in the future"
I am beginning to agree with this, especially for those who have been told for years and years the correct exegesis.
Ignorance is one thing, but when it when been clearly shown to be a false doctrine, biblically, geo-politically, historically, by science and DNA then they really have no excuse.
This twisting if scripture whereby "this generation" becomes any group who witnesses these events, yup it was the people who were listening to Christ Jesus speak, otherwise His words were lies to them.
YOU 24 times in the Matthew 24!!
America will never, ever turn on Israel, Israel owns the USA and the USA needs Israel for strategic purposes.
America is on the decline, and Israel is stretched beyond its capacity and people are protesting against their own government, so this futurist prophecy looks more shaky day by day.
That is not the point. You have not answered the question of a nation being born in one day. The very existence of Israel proves you wrong.
By the way, this truth has nothing to do with dispensationalists. Yes, they believe this, but so did John Wesley and Charles Spurgeon. Spurgeon was no fan of Scofield. Early church authorities include Tertullian and Origen. The concept gained more traction in the post reformation era, when people began to study the Bible for themselves. Dispensationalism was not a thing in the late 16th century. The argument that Scofield and co were responsible for promoting Israel's restoration is false.
Scofield and Darby are central to promoting this made up doctrine and there were others as well.
Absolutely and completely indisputable... the historical record is very clear on this.
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No, neither Tertullian nor Origen held to a dispensational theology in the modern sense.
While Tertullian did exhibit some elements that could be interpreted as foreshadowing dispensationalism, his overall theology and interpretations differed significantly from later, more formalized dispensational systems. Origen, on the other hand, is known for his allegorical interpretation of scripture, which is antithetical to the literal, historical-grammatical approach of dispensationalism
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Traditional, covenant, correct interpretation of scripture...
Because of Jesus’ incarnation and subsequent work, God, on the Day of Pentecost, will suddenly and supernaturally beget a new Land, a new Nation, and indeed a new City (v. 10, 1 Peter 2:9).
These three are none other than his elect sons (and daughters), the inhabitants of the NT Zion and Jerusalem, begotten from above throughout the entire Era of Proclamation and Probation by the preaching of the Gospel (1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Peter 1:23).
Dean Davis
Because of Jesus’ incarnation and subsequent work, God, on the Day of Pentecost, will suddenly and supernaturally beget a new Land, a new Nation, and indeed a new City (v. 10, 1 Peter 2:9).
These three are none other than his elect sons (and daughters), the inhabitants of the NT Zion and Jerusalem, begotten from above throughout the entire Era of Proclamation and Probation by the preaching of the Gospel (1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Peter 1:23).
Dean Davis
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