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Before Jesus died on the cross and said "it is finished"He was referring to the restoration of man prior to the fall.Pilgrimshope posted plenty of scriptures that testify who true Israel is.Jesus is Israel.He is New Jerusalem, and he is in all those who have the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 1:16-20

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Where does it say that in the Bible? And, ad infinitum, God is defending current aka the same Israel to this day. Argue with Him if anyone is prejudiced against Israel/Jews.
 
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I'll finish saying what I started...No, God's not finished with Israel. The plan is the same for them as for the world.. salvation! Romans 11: 25-26

Am I a Zionist? Yes, but Hebrews 12: 22-29 defines what Zionists are.

Jesus is Lord, Lord of all.

No, God is not finished with Israel, not by a long shot.
 
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As I read this thread my mind continually points me to one scripture which just plants the cross of Calvary in the center of it all.. Romans 11:32 Is there anyone else that sees the word all in that verse?
Paul concludes his own argument. All have sinned. All need a Savior. That was the point. Still is.


I don't believe anyone here has said the Jews don't need to be saved. If someone has, show me which post that is.
 
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Palestinian is just a name. Taybeh has been inhabited by Christians since the time of Christ. It's inhabitants could be descendents of Jews or Arabs. The point is, it's their home and has been for nearly 2 millennia


The Palestinians are Arabs. At the beginning of the 20th century, there were practically no Arabs in the Holy Land. Historically, a "Palestinian" people never existed. The English name "Palestinian", to describe the local Arab population, was invented AFTER the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. These Arabs do not even have a native name to describe themselves in their own Arabic language. The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries. There is only one possible solution to the "Palestinians" desire for a homeland - let them return to where they came from - to where they lived earlier for hundreds or thousands of years - to their real homeland in their original Arab countries.

In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us."

In 1946, Princeton's Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: "It's common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history."

In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: "The 'Palestinian people' does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel."

Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist, writes: "The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity."


Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist acknowledged the lie he was fighting for: “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? ... we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians. They removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag.”


The Syrian dictator Hafez Assad said: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity".

Dr. Azmi Bishara, a notable leader of the Arabs in Israel, who fought against the Israeli "occupation", said in a TV interview: "There is no Palestinian nation. It's a colonial invention. When were there any Palestinians?"

Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the Holy Land. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian dialect. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt.

I have stated this again and again with no answers "If there is anyone who still believes that a "Palestinian" nation ever existed before the end of the British mandate and the founding of the state of Israel, would they please be kind enough to answer when was it founded and by whom? What was its name in Arabic (not in Latin-English)? What was its form of government? What were its borders? Name one top "Palestinian" leader before Arafat? Which country ever recognized its existence and when? In which library or museum can we find any of its literature, coins, or historical artifacts? The answer to all these questions is "nil".

Made up out of whole cloth! Irrefutable evidence! Palestinians are ARABS !! Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and people like you and HeisH and the Arabs won't even let them have that land as their own, their homeland. Where are they suppose to go? They have 3000 yrs of archaeological proof of Jews in the land, Palestinians have non, zero, zilch!! Facts don't care about your feelings. The land belongs to the Jews, Biblically and historically. Period. What you believe doesn't matter, the facts do.
 
Meaning you have never taken the time to follow the money/resources trail, when you do you will understand geopolitics.

Seems to me you are the one who holds a certain "blood line" higher on the scale in direct contradiction to Christ Jesus.

Alllllllll about the Benjamin's. Is there a trope you haven't used yet.
 
Do you remember in the story of Abraham . God came to him and promised him that through his seed all people would be blessed . And then Sarai came and told Abraham “ well that’s great now take my handmaid and make a baby with her so that you’ll have an hier.

rather than waiting for God to bring to pass his promise his way they decided to make tbier own goer and fulfill Gods promise . God didn’t accept it instead he returned and promised that Abraham would have a son with his wife one year later and that would be his hier of the promise .

The son who was born of the Will of man Was cast out while the son of promise was the only one accepted as Abraham’s hier of the promises god had been making him

God made another covenant with and for ishmael because he also was Abraham’s offspring but not of faith

I think people sort of try to do what saria did and after the war they tried to make it happen among many other motives religion was one for the warlords after ww2 to re establish israel as they saw it should be rather than waiting for Gods plan which is far better than mans

He talks a lot about the new things to come throughout the Bible it’s going to be far better than this fallen world a lot of people have trouble with doing this part

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-4‬ ‭

So tell us how do you think God's regathering should of taken place if this is the work of man forcing the issue.
And why would God allow it? This is a huge event and if it wasn't Gods appointed time I don't think it would of been successful.
I think in scripture it's quite clear God uses men of his choosing to accomplish what has come to pass. Be they saved or un saved, righteous or evil. Who can know the mind of God? Are his ways higher than ours?
Would continuous prophecy be fulfilled in such a short period of time such as natural disasters, climate change, lawlessness, anti semitisim, anti Christian, paganism, wars, ect. That all needs to be discounted to.
Are we living in the best of times?
Israel is fighting a war against evil. A evil that has threatened the whole world and has not stopped.
Throughout the old testament this same Israel fought physically against evils that God commanded them to do so.
What makes you think this is any different. What's your take on Islam.
I believe that all of this is in preparation of the Lords return.
 
It is how Jesus answered that matters.
That seems such an odd answer coming from you.

Made up out of whole cloth! Irrefutable evidence! Palestinians are ARABS !! Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME and people like you and HeisH and the Arabs won't even let them have that land as their own, their homeland. Where are they suppose to go? They have 3000 yrs of archaeological proof of Jews in the land, Palestinians have non, zero, zilch!! Facts don't care about your feelings. The land belongs to the Jews, Biblically and historically. Period. What you believe doesn't matter, the facts do.
People who think Hamas just wants that piece of the pie better think again. Islam seeks world domination.
Interesting to watch so much of the world fall into the deception of believing Islam is a religion of peace.


"Our conflict is not an Israeli-Arab conflict. Our struggle is not for a Palestinian state. We are seeking the world.
We are seeking the whole world. We are seeking a confrontation against all Crusaders, against all Christians,
against all infidels until they adopt the Islamic religion, until they follow the Sharia of Allah. We are not interested
in Palestine. We are not interested in Tel Aviv or in Ashkelon. What is important for us is to see Islam ruling the
world. This is the religion of God and we are fighting to see Islam rule the world."


Abu al-Ayna al-Ansari, a leader of a Salafi group in the Gaza Strip that is allied with Islamic State ideology

“As Muslims, we don’t believe in states, borders, and embassies, and most certainly not in Israel’s right to exist. We have
to focus on imposing the rule of Islam wherever we are, to signal to the infidels that their support of the enemy is useless."


Abu al-Ayna al-Ansari
 
Where does it say that in the Bible? And, ad infinitum, God is defending current aka the same Israel to this day. Argue with Him if anyone is prejudiced against Israel/Jews.

In Colossians 1:16-20.Having made peace through the blood of his cross to reconcile all things unto himself.That's why he said "it is finished."
Am I prejudiced against Israel if I feel that the current state of Israel is no different than any other Godless country?Did Stephen cry out for blood before his death as Saul led a rebellion against him?
If it were Palestinians or radical Islamists who stoned him he would say the same thing because he was led by the Holy Spirit.
 
Hey, Rose, I hope you are feeling better today! Well, the hero of Islam and Islam itself was set up as an anti-Christ religion.
I do not get how people who claim to be Christians can defend it it any way. It exists to subjugate all to its demands.
It was spread by the sword from its inception, also, but people are still deceived and call it a religion of peace. There
is nothing peaceful about it. There are over 100 verses in the Koran commanding them to kill people of the Book, and
unbelievers, and infidels (those who depart the faith). In other words, anyone who refuses to submit.


My understanding is that you cannot force any one to be a Muslim (I have a lot of Muslim colleagues and we discuss a lot), - "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256 - (I’m not talking about terrorist groups opinions - including the IDF / Zionist Israel who say they have a right to kill ALL including women and children), Im looking at source.

It would be helpful if you could provide a few passages 'commanding them to kill' from the Quran to back up what you say (I presume your information will be based on you having studied the context of the passages!)
 
NO SUCH PEOPLE. A place, not a people with their own country, language, ruler, money. NONE! NOT FALSE!

As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members.[1][2][3] It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.[4][5] This limited status is largely due to the fact that the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council with veto power, has consistently used its veto or threatened to do so to block Palestine's full UN membership.[6][7]


An historian you are not. Do you think it is good to promote falsehoods.

It is not good to dehumanize people and defend "might makes right" power and money.

They were DENIED statehood by the UK/France when they area was carved up,, but keep screaming falsehoods and dehumanizing people, makes you look really good on a Christian Chat site

Seems you are really, really triggered, I really suggest you get some help.
 
My understanding is that you cannot force any one to be a Muslim (I have a lot of Muslim colleagues and we discuss a lot), - "There is no compulsion in religion" Quran 2:256 - (I’m not talking about terrorist groups opinions - including the IDF / Zionist Israel who say they have a right to kill ALL including women and children), Im looking at source.

It would be helpful if you could provide a few passages 'commanding them to kill' from the Quran to back up what you say (I presume your information will be based on you having studied the context of the passages!)

That is correct if people do not convert they are to pay a tax.
 
So what happens if they don't want to leave their home?

" [The] only humane solution for Gaza is the mass deportation of its inhabitants." Itamar Ben-Gvir, Minister of National Security of Israel, 28 January, 2024

https://zionism.observer/quotes/itamar-ben-gvir/the-only-humane-solutio
Easy. They endure the inhumane solution. Gaza was Egypt's in 1948. If not for the war declared by the 5 Arab nations in 1948, Gaza would still be Egypt's territory. Egypt has no love for it's former citizens. Israel removed their 21 settlements by force and allowed Gazans to choose their destiny. Bad move - for Israel and for Gazans.

Israel does not want the followers of a mass murdering paeodophile rapist on its border. It's had enough. Gazans can do it the easy way or the hard way. History says that they'll choose the hard way. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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