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It is INSANE.
The Jews~~The world hates them. Many believers dismiss them. Many believers hate them. Many believers accuse them. Satan wants them dead. Muslims want them dead.
Yeah, the Jews are irrelevant! Not. Just the time spent on the Jews/Israel on this tiny forum CONFIRMS God is not finished with Israel.
The most talked about people in the world....The Jew. Gods Chosen people.
There is not a more truthful nor heartfelt post than this one. I could not imagine as a young girl how so many could look the other way while the Jews were treated so horrifically. Unfortunately I see so many Christians, as they were then, either agreeing with or being silent as Jews are being persecuted again. I will not be silent. God is not finished with the Jews, you are 100% correct!! Israel, the apple of His eye!!
They will become a cup of trembling to the world.
(1st repost✝✡You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, Yahweh, have become their God” (2 Samuel 7:23-24)
Paul explains that the gifts and calling (of Israel) by God are irrevocable. Even in unbelief, Israel as a nation remains elect - chosen and called by God for His purposes in history.
The New Jerusalem is the fulfillment of all God's promises and exemplifies His goodness. The Apostle John gives his final vision in Revelation of the Holy City for all those who believe in Jesus Christ and are covered by his blood to dwell with Him forever.
No one really has to defend Israel/Jews, God has it handled. God's son, a Rabbi, was sent to serve His purpose of offering salvation to all who believe on Him. Looks like believers will be living in The New Jerusalem✝✡.
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Why is there so much focus on Israel? Good or bad?(1st repost✝✡
Because He established His people Israel as His very own FOREVER.
Yes ma’am you m not out to offend or make enemies and your also appreciated
just sort of trying to say israel Will indeed be restored as he said tbey would , I just think that’s going to happen as the feature and initial event of this new place to come
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Isaiah 65:17 KJV
I think if we look really closely we can see how thier restoration and that new place he promised to make correlates . The promise was given because of his deep love for Israel
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
Isaiah 66:22 KJV
there’s a new eternal world to come but this current earth isn’t the one that’s permanent
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ( see this isn’t an seeels inheritance ) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ( this isn’t tbier inheritance ….,but this other better thing he’s been promising them in the Old Testament promises )
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
I don’t think we really disagree on this subject much to be honest …..just on the how part of God restoring them according to his promises . He’s definately going to restore israel just in my opinion not because they were a rahaks descendants but because they accept Jesus Abraham’s sin of promise through faith like anyone else
It’s just a matter of how israel is identified some aren’t understanding this part
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Some aren’t understanding what that’s telling us, and they are trying to make a persons flesh and blood what matters to God which it doesn’t.
Not so sure about not understanding, but rather believing the absolute LIE of two peoples of God.
And how many times does Paul in scripture, dismiss, negate, refute this lie and yet here we are.
Yeah but if a person reads the ot it’s really easy to miss the part where he changes the means of identification after they break the covenant it’s really the issue that israel themselves have .
It’s much like the debate about the old covenant law it’s easy to read the ot and thing that the covenant at sinia made with the chrildren of Israel tbrough Moses is the eternal covenant he was always talking about that would establish his people in a land that couldn’t be overthrown
It’s really easy to misunderstand the Bible’s doctrines I only say tbat because over seven decades I’ve misunderstood a lot of it myself , only later through prayer and continuing study of the subject matter did I realize I hadn’t u derstood what I though I had understood
pretty much until I looked into this very sibkect only looking through scriptire I would have agreed with a lot of the people i don’t agree with now
I’ve misunderstood a lot over the years and realized that’s when I began learning , ironically
I believe it will happen before the new creation. I believe that the former is passed away because there is no need of it for we have all become one in Christ. Jew and Gentile.
God redemption plan comes to all men to either accept or reject. For we can all agree there is a great throne judgment waiting to happen.
I believe the 1000 yr reign is for Jesus to teach us what is right in the ways of the Lord. To observe what God holds dear.
To prepare for the way of the father himself. Ruling with a rod of iron to crush the unclean things that remain.
To restore the Land and people for and to there original intent.
Peace for a 1000 yrs because of the prince of peace......Jesus Christ.
Yeah I respect your view also.
“I believe that the former is passed away because there is no need of it “
I was sort of looking here and seems like this earth does have a purpose but it’s not for restoring anyone
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ….
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
if you look at the ot his promise to make a new heaven and earth eas to israel regarding his restoration of them after the defiles the covenant made at Sinai and horeb the New Testament was thiers first
What I mean is
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
Isaiah 65:17-18 KJV
that promise is what we’re seeing fulfilled here n the new earth after judgement burns up the first like Peter said there
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, ( the one he promised to make in the ot ) prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”
Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
That’s just my own view tbough your welcome to have yours also I don’t have an issue with it brother
None with yours as well.....except for that counterfeit Israel thing you mentioned in your earlier post ...that kinda blindsided me.
Agree it can be easy to misunderstand on some things, because we are dealing with interpretations of language, not math facts, and
I understand your point but I think many, including you, have explained it many times.
in your case you sought out the truth because you realized things were not lining up and you were not fully vested in a certain belief,
however, people who have given themselves over to false teachings and veraciously defend that false teaching are past the point of
wanting to understand. imho.
I do think that a solid case can be made from scripture to support a doctrine even in eschatology, it does take a lot of work to search and learn and most people do not want to leave their place of comfort.
Nah, I just disagreed with the "tease"as I reread the thread.
Lol ok, passive aggressive it is. I thought we were beyond that now with all the fencing we do here but c'est la vie.
Agreed.
Funny how the "Agree" and "Thumbsup" icons dropped off when the full revelation is quoted: "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God" It's a word for word scripture quote, yet it doesn't fit with the political narrative.
Yes I think also people have heard a message from pulpits for a long time about the subject
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