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Yup that is the author, be careful you might labelled an anti- *** some day soon, these ideas have a way of gaining traction.
Vicki Polin is on the spectrum too
Vicki Polin is on the spectrum too
Still banging on about the same thing - I have proved you with ample evidence that 'olam' doesn’t mean forever or everlasting etc... there is no unconditional covenant - yet you just ignore the facts which are quite easy to check. Jewish sources, Christian sources will provide the evidence.
I could reply with much more info than has already been provided – but you don’t really seem interested in the truth, I leave you with the below;
Psalms 37:27 – not unconditional & you cannot dwell in the land forever
‘Turn from evil and do good; then you will dwell in the land forever.’
Leviticus 25:46 – slaves are going to be slaves forever!
Smith's Literal Translation – closest to the Hebrew translation
‘And ye shall possess them for your sons after you to take possession forever; ye shall serve with them: and over your brethren the sons of Israel, ye shall not rule over him, each over his brother with oppression.’
Finally I found this and he explains it very nicely -
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But the "tribes" listed in Revelation are not all sons of Jacob.
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed"
Joseph was Manasseh's father and Dan is not present. Doesn't that stick in your craw? Instead of using creative exegesis to excuse Dan's absence and Manasseh's addition, this should be a clue that this is not natural Israel.
Paul wrote about the "one man in Christ" created by combining Jew and Gentile into One like this:
"Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision (Gentiles) by what is called the Circumcision (Israel) made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
For He Himself is our peace (Paul, a Jew, is saying that Christ is his peace), who has made both one (both = Jew and Gentile), and has broken down the middle wall of separation, (This is a temple reference: there is nothing that separates the Jews and the Gentiles any longer) 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, (Both Jew and Gentile, in Christ, are one new man) thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, (The way of reconciling both Jew and Gentile is the same: through the cross) thereby putting to death the enmity.(The cross puts to death the enmity, the opposition, because neither Jew or Gentile are regarded as Jew or Gentile in Christ) 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father (Access to the Father is by one Spirit, not in any other way).
So even in this passage, the promises aren't attached to natural flesh. They are the inheritance of children "by one Spirit".
Also, when a new man is created, the old is no longer present. Of course, this must be taken spiritually because you cannot create a new man from the two physically... you would kill both natural men in the process. This is a spiritual transaction completed in Christ.
The explanation is apparent. I outlined it here: https://christianchat.com/threads/israel.219309/post-5516268
"And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed"
Joseph was Manasseh's father and Dan is not present. Doesn't that stick in your craw? Instead of using creative exegesis to excuse Dan's absence and Manasseh's addition, this should be a clue that this is not natural Israel.
Paul wrote about the "one man in Christ" created by combining Jew and Gentile into One like this:
"Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision (Gentiles) by what is called the Circumcision (Israel) made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
For He Himself is our peace (Paul, a Jew, is saying that Christ is his peace), who has made both one (both = Jew and Gentile), and has broken down the middle wall of separation, (This is a temple reference: there is nothing that separates the Jews and the Gentiles any longer) 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, (Both Jew and Gentile, in Christ, are one new man) thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, (The way of reconciling both Jew and Gentile is the same: through the cross) thereby putting to death the enmity.(The cross puts to death the enmity, the opposition, because neither Jew or Gentile are regarded as Jew or Gentile in Christ) 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father (Access to the Father is by one Spirit, not in any other way).
So even in this passage, the promises aren't attached to natural flesh. They are the inheritance of children "by one Spirit".
Also, when a new man is created, the old is no longer present. Of course, this must be taken spiritually because you cannot create a new man from the two physically... you would kill both natural men in the process. This is a spiritual transaction completed in Christ.
The explanation is apparent. I outlined it here: https://christianchat.com/threads/israel.219309/post-5516268
What's interesting is that Ephraim is not in that list. Is that because Jacob prophesied that the seed of Ephraim would become a fullness of gentiles?
And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed will become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19
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Yeah. The Book of Revelation requires wisdom, not politics, to understand. It's all there in the scriptures.
No one is replacing anyone.
Antisemitism and Anti-Arab sentiments are both disgusting.
No permission, ever, is given to hate another because of their nationality.
Jesus, nor any of His disciples or any believers who came after His ascension, ever killed anyone as recorded in the scriptures.
There is only one side that cheers the death of certain people, and it's not those who recognize the one way to the Father in Christ Jesus.
No one is replacing anyone.
Antisemitism and Anti-Arab sentiments are both disgusting.
No permission, ever, is given to hate another because of their nationality.
Jesus, nor any of His disciples or any believers who came after His ascension, ever killed anyone as recorded in the scriptures.
There is only one side that cheers the death of certain people, and it's not those who recognize the one way to the Father in Christ Jesus.
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What's interesting is that Manasseh and Ephraim would be physical representations of men comprised of Jew (Joseph) and Gentile (Asenath from Egypt). So it's interesting that Manasseh is listed among the "tribes of Israel". Joseph, then, would represent a type of Christ whose inheritance extends to Gentiles through promise.
Just some thoughts.
Just some thoughts.
Actually it clearly explains these are descendants of the sons of Jacob including one son of Joseph that represents JEWS!
Sons of Abraham are not the same as sons of Jacob [Israel] but nice try
But sons of Jacob are naturally and can be spiritually of Abraham.
Sons of Abraham are not the same as sons of Jacob [Israel] but nice try
But sons of Jacob are naturally and can be spiritually of Abraham.
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
This is a lineage of promise, not of flesh. That's the point.
Peter, addressing Gentile believers, wrote:
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
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This is what happens when one places an ideology above the truth of the words of scripture.
There are those who will expose themselves to new information with a certain level of openness and critical analysis but, this will not happen and penetrate the thinking, where a person's identity IS the ideology.
There are those who will expose themselves to new information with a certain level of openness and critical analysis but, this will not happen and penetrate the thinking, where a person's identity IS the ideology.
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