Israel.

[CommodoreTeach]

There is an idea floating around that atheist Jews have been using ungodly media to corrupt America's morals,
so that the Marxist-Globalist takeover would be easier.

Not a history expert, but isn't that similar to what Hitler said in reference to Germany (rather than America) prior to World War II?

in some nations it's a crime to even question the account. Like literally a punishable crime. That's suspiciously controling.

This here. If it's a crime to question, you've gotta presume the government (or those who control the government) are hiding something important. If some people don't like that, that's why free speech is critically important - blame the government who is making free speech a crime and preventing the matter being freely debated, not the people who are wisely suspicious of such acts of tyranny.

 

[Jackson129]

Completely untrue. Jews have archeological proof of being in the 3000 yrs. And really it wouldn't matter if Jews chose another land, there would still be people saying they don't deserve a homeland. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME. And even with that small portion they gave up land for peace. They have a right to their homeland, they aren't occupying anything.

In what way shape or form did I say they dont deserve to have a country? I said isreal the country and isreal the people are differnt things.

 

[lrs68]

There aren't polka dots in the sky either, if we were just stating random facts.

Why haven't you mentioned Germany as one of the enemies? Do you define them as an enemy? They're the ones who supposedly committed the most heinous act against modern Jewish people.

I don't care how you rationalize something the bottom line is dictators and dictatorships don't always reflect the whole viewpoint as a people or entire nation.

I look at Germany, under Hitler's control, as a season. They're not a People like Babylon and Persia or even the Philistines that go all the way back to the Exodus of Egypt. Germany is merely a Season and that Season has passed and been gone for almost a 100 years now.

 

[Leastofall]

I think the passage 1000 years is one day and one day is a thousand years is ment to mean there is no time for God. Like it is meaningless to Him. Take a string for instance that has no beginning or no ending. That is God's eternal day. Let's say you cut a piece of it out and say this is all of creations time within that string. There are still before and after parts on that string. When you say it is all the same day you are right to God it is. But when the Bible was wrote it had to be in a way that man understands. Since we live in the temperal realm it includes the passage of time. 40 years of wandering, 40 days of rain, 7 years of tribulation, and 1000 year millennium kingdom. All existing within the same eternal day of God.

But you are right if you feel this kind of discussion will take over a thread it may not be part of ill wait for a thread like that to appear.

Have you considered what God said to Adam and eve. In that day you shall surely. Adam ate yet went on to live 900 plus years but short of a thousand. This saying points to God's appointed times as he sees fit.

We are appointed once to die then judgment
These are my appointed times , feast and seasons says the Lord.
Jesus being the alpha and omega points to a time frame that only God knows. But there is a time frame

 

[Yahshua]

I don't care how you rationalize something the bottom line is dictators and dictatorships don't always reflect the whole viewpoint as a people or entire nation.

I look at Germany, under Hitler's control, as a season. They're not a People like Babylon and Persia or even the Philistines that go all the way back to the Exodus of Egypt. Germany is merely a Season and that Season has passed and been gone for almost a 100 years now.

I don't think you realize how telling this response is. But thank you. So by your own words, you're not being intellectually consistent because most of the entire nation of people in Persia/Iran don't care what modern-day Israel does, apart from them bombing the Iranian citizens for no reason, and yet you'd still claim that the entire nation is the modern enemy going back to Egypt?

Secondly, you claim Germany was only a season and yet completely disregard (or maybe have never known) that muslims sheltered and protected Jews all throughout Christian persecution against the Jews (Inquisitions, Holy Wars, etc). It was even Cyrus, King of Persia, who gave the decree for Jews to freely return and rebuild Jerusalem, it's literally detailed in scripture. And Caliph Umar allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem again in 637AD when another group had exiled them.

"Let's never forget the holocaust, except there's no reason to remember who committed that act against us. And let's continue to treat people who have been our allies and saviors multiple times in history as our sworn enemies."

I can't help but get a whiff of racism in modern sentiments against these Middle Easterners.

 

[Jackson129]

Have you considered what God said to Adam and eve. In that day you shall surely. Adam ate yet went on to live 900 plus years but short of a thousand. This saying points to God's appointed times as he sees fit.

We are appointed once to die then judgment
These are my appointed times , feast and seasons says the Lord.
Jesus being the alpha and omega points to a time frame that only God knows. But there is a time frame

Oh yes there is a time frame i wasent disputing that. Im trying to point out the differences in the temperal realm vs the eternal realm. Even in one eternal day that God has always existed in there are events. Events that happen before and after other events. To God the time between those events is meaningless He gave timelines to us cause that's how it would have to be explained in the temperal realm.

 

[GWH]

Not a history expert, but isn't that similar to what Hitler said in reference to Germany (rather than America) prior to World War II?

This here. If it's a crime to question, you've gotta presume the government (or those who control the government) are hiding something important. If some people don't like that, that's why free speech is critically important - blame the government who is making free speech a crime and preventing the matter being freely debated, not the people who are wisely suspicious of such acts of tyranny.

Yes, but I doubt Hitler accused them of being Marxist-Atheists.

I am one who presumes the deep state is covering up the Epstein fellow pedophiles,
partly because a Jew Alan Dershowitz who was involved with Epstein's defense says so.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That's fair.

Yeah brother just an inquiring mind but I appreciate your words it gives me a lot to consider and look for in scripture

 

[lrs68]

I don't think you realize how telling this response is. But thank you. So by your own words, you're not being intellectually consistent because most of the entire nation of people in Persia/Iran don't care what modern-day Israel does, apart from them bombing the Iranian citizens for no reason, and yet you'd still claim that the entire nation is the modern enemy going back to Egypt?

Secondly, you claim Germany was only a season and yet completely disregard (or maybe have never known) that muslims sheltered and protected Jews all throughout Christian persecution against the Jews (Inquisitions, Holy Wars, etc). It was even Cyrus, King of Persia, who gave the decree for Jews to freely return and rebuild Jerusalem, it's literally detailed in scripture. And Caliph Umar allowed Jews to return to Jerusalem again in 637AD when another group had exiled them.

"Let's never forget the holocaust, except there's no reason to remember who committed that act against us. And let's continue to treat people who have been our allies and saviors multiple times in history as our sworn enemies."

I can't help but get a whiff of racism in modern sentiments against these Middle Easterners.

It doesn't really matter what anyone thinks because if God says war is going to happen and it hasn't for 3,000 years and suddenly it happens even for 12 days then God was correct. We just know this little battle is eventually going to blow up to the big deal sooner than later.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The name or meaning of Israel actually relates to repentance.

Genesis 32:27-28
And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The Israelites wrestled with God over their continuation of their sinning and with men/flesh.

The reason why Jerusalem is called New Jerusalem in the book of revelation is became it is a spiritual New Jerusalem.And it is a spiritual Israel.


Isaiah 43:18-19
Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Colossians 3:2
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Matthew 8:10-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The kingdom of heaven is New Jerusalem.The name means "city of peace".I think it's neat that Israel relates to water/repentance/old covenant, and New Jerusalem relates to blood/peace/new covenant and that they're as one.

Colossians 1:20-22
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.

 

[rogerg]

The reason why Jerusalem is called New Jerusalem in the book of revelation is became it is a spiritual New Jerusalem.And it is a spiritual Israel.

And have those who inhabit it become the spiritual Jews?

 

[TrustandObey]

They're actually matching for a specific DNA that exists and existed in ancient bones found from known burial boxes from high priests during the Temple days with their family Crest markings and other prominent jews.

Prove it!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They're actually matching for a specific DNA that exists and existed in ancient bones found from known burial boxes from high priests during the Temple days with their family Crest markings and other prominent jews.

Herod appointed fellow Edomites to the priesthood

 

[lrs68]

Prove it!

Scientific research has indeed utilized genetic analysis to explore the lineage of Jewish populations, including those claiming descent from ancient Jewish high priests (Cohanim).

Specifically, studies have focused on the Y chromosome, which is passed down from father to son, to investigate the patrilineal ancestry of the Cohanim, who are believed to be direct descendants of Aaron, the first High Priest.

Research found a distinct genetic signature, known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), among a significant portion of Cohanim, supporting the idea of a common male ancestor.

It's important to clarify that this research typically utilizes DNA extracted from living individuals who identify as Cohanim, rather than directly from the bones of ancient Jewish high priests. Scientists compare the DNA of modern Cohanim with that of other Jewish groups and non-Jewish populations to identify shared genetic markers and estimate the time to a common ancestor.

This type of genetic research offers insights into the historical and demographic patterns of Jewish populations, complementing information from other fields such as archaeology and history. However, it's crucial to acknowledge the limitations and sensitivities surrounding genetic research and the use of terms like "Jewish genes".

 

[lrs68]

Scientific research has indeed utilized genetic analysis to explore the lineage of Jewish populations, including those claiming descent from ancient Jewish high priests (Cohanim).

Specifically, studies have focused on the Y chromosome, which is passed down from father to son, to investigate the patrilineal ancestry of the Cohanim, who are believed to be direct descendants of Aaron, the first High Priest.

Research found a distinct genetic signature, known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), among a significant portion of Cohanim, supporting the idea of a common male ancestor.

It's important to clarify that this research typically utilizes DNA extracted from living individuals who identify as Cohanim, rather than directly from the bones of ancient Jewish high priests. Scientists compare the DNA of modern Cohanim with that of other Jewish groups and non-Jewish populations to identify shared genetic markers and estimate the time to a common ancestor.

This type of genetic research offers insights into the historical and demographic patterns of Jewish populations, complementing information from other fields such as archaeology and history. However, it's crucial to acknowledge the limitations and sensitivities surrounding genetic research and the use of terms like "Jewish genes".

Ultimately, this proves Jews far back as Moshe brother, Moshe himself are related to modern day Jews in Israel proving the Jews in Israel today are 100% indeed from the same Jews as the Bible.

The common DNA factor also proves who is really Jewish. But the bottom line is that Israel today population is truly descendants of the real Hebrews of the Exodus. Also means they're real family of Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ultimately, this proves Jews far back as Moshe brother, Moshe himself are related to modern day Jews in Israel proving the Jews in Israel today are 100% indeed from the same Jews as the Bible.

The common DNA factor also proves who is really Jewish. But the bottom line is that Israel today population is truly descendants of the real Hebrews of the Exodus. Also means they're real family of Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.

Total BS

 

[lrs68]

Total BS

^ Your Doctrine of Replacement Theory is

Yep. I agree 1000000000000000%

 

[lrs68]

If DNA can connect to Aaron, tribe of Levi [son of Jacob], then it's connecting to Isaac and Abraham and Noah and Enoch

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

In what way shape or form did I say they dont deserve to have a country? I said isreal the country and isreal the people are differnt things.

Then I missed your point, or why that was important to point out. Jews are the people, Israel is the country. Same as Ireland is the country, Irish are the people from that country. What point did I miss?

 

[Yahshua]

Ultimately, this proves Jews far back as Moshe brother, Moshe himself are related to modern day Jews in Israel proving the Jews in Israel today are 100% indeed from the same Jews as the Bible.

The common DNA factor also proves who is really Jewish. But the bottom line is that Israel today population is truly descendants of the real Hebrews of the Exodus. Also means they're real family of Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't, brother.


Firstly...

This portion that you shared has one fatal flaw:

It's important to clarify that this research typically utilizes DNA extracted from living individuals who identify as Cohanim, rather than directly from the bones of ancient Jewish high priests

if I call myself Cohen tomorrow, and someone extracts my DNA to match up with someone in the south, anyone who matches my DNA is kin to me, but that doesn't mean those people are also Cohenim simply because I identify as Cohenim...nor does it mean I am a Cohen simply because i've identified myself as such. Without matching the ancient bones of the ancestors to modern people, the DNA results you've mentioned merely show who is related to each other in our modern time. It's circular logic.


Next...

A Cohen/priest isn't an ethnicity, it's a role. By the old covenant law, all tribes were restricted from being priests. Only the house of Aaron of the tribe of Levi was allowed to be priests since they sided with Moses at the sin of the golden calf. Moses and Aaron are Levites, not Jews. Any Jew who identified as a priest was a false priest, which is what many converted transplants were during the Hasmonean dynasty. Many Edomites and Samaritans were converted into "Jews" by John Hyrcanus I, and a "Jewish priesthood" was established apart from the true Levitical priesthood just before the time of Christ (which is why John the Baptist was living in the wilderness separate from the religious leadership as a levite and true aaronic priest). Then factions grew from the "Jewish priesthood": the Pharisees and Sadducees.


Now...

Here are two excerpts from two sources on the subject, one is a scientific study and the other is an academic article.


For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from - according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews’ most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere.

Source: https://theconversation.com/ashkena...led-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962


In our previous work we have identified “ancient Ashkenaz,” a region in northeastern Turkey that harbors four primeval villages whose names resemble Ashkenaz. Here, we elaborate on the meaning of this term and argue that it acquired its modern meaning only after a critical mass of Ashkenazic Jews arrived in Germany. We show that all bio-localization analyses have localized AJs to Turkey and that the non-Levantine origins of AJs are supported by ancient genome analyses.

Source: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full


Finally...

Revelation 12:12-13
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


...and where was Pergamos?

This is why DNA research is illegal in Israel without express authorization. They're trying to hide the truth even from their own citizens.