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The people feared the pharisees because they could cast them out of the synagogues, which would basically end their lives as they knew it, so they did what they were told. Even Jesus told them to do what the pharisees said, because they sat in the seat of Moses. A few believed, but most didn't, even as today.

Nothing is said in the NT about blessing or cursing Israel. Paul and Jesus said to don't curse anyone. There is no partiality with God, and there is no curse in Christ.
Yes, Jesus advocated following OT traditions until His atonement fulfilled prophecy,
after which all bets were off! (Matt. 23, John 8)
 
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although, of course, since 70AD, no one claiming to be Jewish has been able to verify his Jewish ancestry with the necessary temple records.
That was God's hand in it.
He was done with it.
Had enough of it.
It had gotten so bad
that God said
they had become so
evil that they were more evil
than the evildoers he
took the land from and gave to them.
He said they were not even worth Him
punishing them no more for
it would not do any good.
 
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Yes, Jesus advocated following OT traditions until His atonement fulfilled prophecy,
after which all bets were off! (Matt. 23, John 8)
I don't recall Him ever
making any sacrifice or offering
on the alter of any kind but Himself.
You know they saw Him for 3 years
visiting the temple
never making a sacrifice or burnt offering.
 
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So sad that some want to make it about the flesh again. As Paul so soundly defeated the requirement for circumcision of believers in the New Testament, these modern day Judaisers haven't dared to try that argument again. Instead, they make it about the lineage of one from "true" physical Jews - although, of course, since 70AD, no one claiming to be Jewish has been able to verify his Jewish ancestry with the necessary temple records.
It has never been about physical genealogy. Jesus said the father could raise up children of Abraham from rocks because Abraham's children are of faith.

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Luke 3:8
Being a son of Abraham didn't mean anything unless he was circumcised. And a foreigner could become circumcised and be considered Israel. The only reason God blessed natural Israel was to keep his promises to Abraham. Once everything was fulfilled in Christ, that no longer applies. All of the blessings are now to those in Christ.
 

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Being a son of Abraham didn't mean anything unless he was circumcised. And a foreigner could become circumcised and be considered Israel.
Exactly. I wanted to add, though - And being a son of Abraham and physically circumcised was still of no value if the heart remained uncircumcised. Even the Pharisees were condemned as children of the devil, despite being of Abraham's physical lineage and having the physical covenant sign.
 
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This world--------- all in between ------------------------> The world to come.
 

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Oh no
It goes far far far deeper than that.
Way beyond that.
Abraham was just one of many cogs in the wheel.
Not really Abraham is where the promise began regarding his descendants thoer acceptans was only because of the promise made to Abraham
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, ( Abraham ) and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:2‬ ‭

Ect the Bible eventually builds up to this truth regarding aBrahams children of promise

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham isn’t a cog in a wheel he’s the fether of our covenant he’s the man he the promise is made to the man of faith Abraham his faithfulness is why we have the promise

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you come to this eventually which is the promise

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that came because Abraham was called by God to follow him in faith and he did in the kingdom abraham is a patriarch
 
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Not really Abraham is where the promise began regarding his descendants thoer acceptans was only because of the promise made to Abraham
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, ( Abraham ) and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:2‬ ‭

Ect the Bible eventually builds up to this truth regarding aBrahams children of promise

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 27, 29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham isn’t a cog in a wheel he’s the fether of our covenant he’s the man he the promise is made to the man of faith Abraham his faithfulness is why we have the promise

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you come to this eventually which is the promise

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that came because Abraham was called by God to follow him in faith and he did in the kingdom abraham is a patriarch
With out Noah there would be no Abraham.
Like I said and I am right because
the Holy Ghost taught me this
I am telling you.

Abraham was just a link in the chain
to get to the next link.
 

Pilgrimshope

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With out Noah there would be no Abraham.
Like I said and I am right because
the Holy Ghost taught me this
I am telling you.

Abraham was just a link in the chain
to get to the next link.
Ok

“Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭
 
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Ok

“Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:16‬ ‭
oh my goodness
not this again.

I am going through
the same exact thing Jesus had to put up with.
except they always tried to kill him for it.

And Abraham is not my Father.
 

Pilgrimshope

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It is very easy to prove.

Is not every nation and every man woman and child on earth now
blessed by God through NOAH?

I learned all this from the Spirit of truth.
noah who condemned the world ?

scriptire says we’re blessed through Abraham are you talking about biblical proof or just you telling me what you think ? The promises were made specifically to Abraham not to Noah is my point Noah isn’t the father of many nations abraham is . Noah was only abrams natural ancestor Abraham is the new name God gave Abram when he made him the father of many nations and promised Christ his seed for all people .

but in your thought there everything began with God speaking if we’re talking about where it began of course …. Abraham wasn’t the first man he’s the first man of the new covenant
 

Pilgrimshope

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oh my goodness
not this again.

I am going through
the same exact thing Jesus had to put up with.
except they always tried to kill him for it.

And Abraham is not my Father.
Alright I can already see I’m nOt interested in this any further have a good one
 
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noah who condemned the world ?

scriptire says we’re blessed through Abraham are you talking about biblical proof or just you telling me what you think ? The promises were made specifically to Abraham not to Noah is my point Noah isn’t the father of many nations abraham is . Noah was only abrams natural ancestor Abraham is the new name God gave Abram when he made him the father of many nations and promised Christ his seed for all people .

but in your thought there everything began with God speaking if we’re talking about where it began of course …. Abraham wasn’t the first man he’s the first man of the new covenant
Go away.
 
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There is a grievous civil war coming to the states
followed by a would war followed by a magnetic pole shift.
And on the other side of it
God is going to do a new work.

All the malarkey you and your brethren have been
doing for all the years will all be wiped away.

GONE
GONE
And we say
Good riddance.