If he didn't know what was going to happen to satan or us then how is it that he reconciles all things through the blood of his cross?
There's plenty of scriptures of God testing his people.
Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
Romans 9:20-23
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.
I use to wonder this.Cause I saw people lose their lives.A good amount of them murdered,and I was to be counted among them but God always intervened.Was his timing perfect?What happen to those souls of the ones who perished?
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If he didn't know what was going to happen to satan or us”
he did …. I’ve never argued he didn’t
know . I’ve stated the opposite many times that he has foreknowledge .
what I’ve said is that knowing what would happen , what we would end up doing…. Isnt the same as planning it himself , and executing it.
And that he gave us free Will and also dominion and rule on earth . And tbat matters in the chain of causation . you can’t give people rule of earth and free Will and also then dictate and make them do only what you will them and cause them to do.
You’ve made them a part of it in the beginning by your Will , thier own choices will matter and determine parts of the plan because you gave them dominion and freedom that’s what you actually created them for
“Then God said, “
Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over all the earth , over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.””
Genesis 1:26 NIV
I’ve never said that God doesn’t know anything at all nothing in creation or in human language have I ever claimed God doesn’t know. One day there will be people he says he doesn’t know but there’s nothing he does not know
a you touched on a position of what. Believe agods Will and plan was from before the beginning in your comment much of it I think is really well said .
Because he has foreknowledge is the very reason his plans are perfect he sees ahead and provides his plan to save us from that foreknowledge he knew what would happen to man eventually so at the right time he sent him into the world to redeem us
what I’m saying is he’s not the one who’s responsible for all the wickedness being let loose on earth …..we mankind are and Satan who deceived them they cut loose food and evil and we didn’t have gods judgements yet to handle the knowledge of good and evil he was going to teach mankind the things Jesus taught …..but Satan detailed it. In the parable he’s the one planting the bad seed . In genesis he’s the one planting the deception in man’s mind leading them astray and corrupting them with the evil that’s not supposed to be there in mankind we should just be holt like the lord , but Adam caused us to be conflicted between good and evil so now we need salvation because we can live years but eventually we’ll succumb to the evil in our mind and commit sin
That knowledge is what caused everything because we weren’t prepared to have that within us no judgements from god had come of what good and evil even was . So we were left to thier own thoughts to decide after ten generetions we see what happened and who was to blame …….the ones he gave dominion to in the beginning and thoer offspring the sons of men
one of the first things Gid determines in the Bible is man’s dominion on earth and freedom and a nly gave them one judgement to obey strictly “
your free to eat of any tree but of the knowledge of good and evil
you must not or you will certainly die “
because they were the ones he gave earth to to rule over whatever they now did good or evil . Which again god placed them in Eden with him , they then sinned and he drove them out after that.
again if I know your gonna drive your car tomorrow and park it at your church beforehand ….This isn’t the same as it being my own plan and my causation you have to make that choice and then act upon it to get there . If I knew you and knew that ahead of time or even if I knew you wouldn’t be there , also wouldn’t mean I caused it to happen. Ot was always since Eden mans choice that would decide what they did and
You sort of hit on my position in your comment