Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Doesn't Romans 11:26 say "And all Israel will be saved..."

No, it says all Israel will be saved in the manner written in the 2 prophecies that Paul quotes in that verse and the next, ie God will turn a chosen remnant away from ungodliness by taking away their sins via the new covenant. When he says "all Israel" he means all of those of Israel, past and future, who are chosen by God to believe, which the majority aren't

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, it says all Israel will be saved in the manner written in the 2 prophecies that Paul quotes in that verse and the next, ie God will turn a chosen remnant away from ungodliness by taking away their sins via the new covenant. When he says "all Israel" he means all of those of Israel, past and future, who are chosen by God to believe, which the majority aren't

This is the prophecy Paul was quoting in Romans 11:26-27. He kind of employs artistic liberty by omitting most of Isaiah 59:21 and adding something else to the end.

And so all Israel will be saved as it is written, "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins." Romans 11:26-27​

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The one rescuing will come out of Zion, and he will turn ungodliness from Jacob. And this is my covenant to them, said the LORD. The spirit -- mine, which is upon you, and my words which I put in your mouth, in no way shall fail from your mouth, nor from out of the mouth of your seed; said the LORD, from the present and unto the eon. Isaiah 59:20-21​

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

No, it says all Israel will be saved in the manner written in the 2 prophecies that Paul quotes in that verse and the next, ie God will turn a chosen remnant away from ungodliness by taking away their sins via the new covenant. When he says "all Israel" he means all of those of Israel, past and future, who are chosen by God to believe, which the majority aren't

And the people who believe literally all Israel,or all flesh will be saved are in error.Those verses mean all who have the Holy Spirit,the heart of flesh will be saved.
True Israel is the remnant who believe in Jesus and have the Holy Spirit.

 

[God-fearing]

That is the exact myth for which Paul was persecuted and murdered, because he stood against it.

But yet the redeemer comes out of zion....so confusing.

 

[God-fearing]

Jol 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

 

[Shoshie]

No, it says all Israel will be saved in the manner written in the 2 prophecies that Paul quotes in that verse and the next, ie God will turn a chosen remnant away from ungodliness by taking away their sins via the new covenant. When he says "all Israel" he means all of those of Israel, past and future, who are chosen by God to believe, which the majority aren't

 

[Shoshie]

No one is denying that they only come in by accepting Jesus and I understand the use of "all" does not necessarily mean every single one, but we cant say assuredly that it will only be a few. Trust me, Jewish believers make it their business to keep up with the numbers of their own who now believe and there are more believers in Israel alone, today, than in the First Century. I cant figure out why people dislike this info. Do they want Jews to go to Hell? If they do, then they had better examine their heart. Afterall, Jesus spoke from the Croos, Father forgive them for they know not what they do. It also says that if they had known they would not have killed the King of glory. They were blinded but so was I and so were all of you reading this. Until your heart is opened and the Lord reveals to You who He is and you are convicted by His Spirit, you cant be saved. You didn't draw you, He did. Again, I repeat Paul's writing that the natural branch can be grafted in again. And if you've ever known a Jewish person who has accepted Jesus, wow, talk about passionate and zealous!!! Whew!!!

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

No one is denying that they only come in by accepting Jesus and I understand the use of "all" does not necessarily mean every single one, but we cant say assuredly that it will only be a few. Trust me, Jewish believers make it their business to keep up with the numbers of their own who now believe and there are more believers in Israel alone, today, than in the First Century. I cant figure out why people dislike this info. Do they want Jews to go to Hell? If they do, then they had better examine their heart. Afterall, Jesus spoke from the Croos, Father forgive them for they know not what they do. It also says that if they had known they would not have killed the King of glory. They were blinded but so was I and so were all of you reading this. Until your heart is opened and the Lord reveals to You who He is and you are convicted by His Spirit, you cant be saved. You didn't draw you, He did. Again, I repeat Paul's writing that the natural branch can be grafted in again. And if you've ever known a Jewish person who has accepted Jesus, wow, talk about passionate and zealous!!! Whew!!!

I don't think anybody denies that the natural branches can't be grafted back in. scripture doesn't imply that a majority of Israel will be saved.Only a remnant.
If I were to guess the number of all people who will saved it will be like the number between those of the Levites and the rest of the Israelites in the OT.
Nobody has the right to deny others the blood of Jesus.I like that verse where it says that if they knew they wouldn't have killed Jesus.Shows how wicked they really were while trying to appear righteous,

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Short Video. Nun Who Actually Lived There Since 1996<

Here's What It's Really Like to Live As a Christian in Israel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“They tell us there’s no starvation, these are lies. There’s pictures here of kids starving,” one protester says in a video from earlier this evening, pointing back to the photos of malnourished children.

Thousands in Tel Aviv rally against Gaza war, ‘demand to stop the starvation’
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...ainst-gaza-war-demand-to-stop-the-starvation/

It’s really a tough situation if you think back to October 6th before the assault. There were neighborhoods and families living very near the border and a music festival filled with young adults celebrating peace most of whom were actually peaceful towards gazans

then you have basically the palestinians in gazas government launch an assault on peaceful communities and a bunch of teens and young adults ata music festival for peace. Those images are all real as well all that stuff was absolutely true Hamas did that there were images everywhere

and so one can see why they had to respond pretty severely

BUT !!! at this point they have decimated the entirety of Gaza. And slaughtered countless children and civilians who actually didint have any part in attacking them or planning an attack against them or even willing an attack against them many of those children don’t even understand yet that they are supposed to hate Israel and many of those children slaughtered that began this whole installation of the ongoing decades long war also had no hate towards Palestinians as many young isralites still do not

But at this point there’s really no war happening just a slaughter that’s possibly only trying to get “soldiers of hamas “ but is actually decimating everyone’s existence and the entire campaign is obviously causing the nourishment crisis . Just simply if the bombing would stop everyone could go in and start trying to help them before it’s too late

i feel Israel was very justified to make a real harsh and terrible response to what happened …. But this isn’t a good thing that’s been happening now for months not justifiable

1500 v probably at least 50000 is far more than enough retribution which is what Benjamin Netanyahu was saying it was going to be a campaign of retribution

zone has to see tbey did what they did the government in Gaza and it actually looked like the citizens were celebrating over the dead israelite bodies they were dragging through the streets of Gaza that day and the captive and bloody women they had taken hostage in thier vehicles so at least some of the citizens also knew and were part of it …. This is just way too far and the world is coming around to it .

when this began I was all for israel making it right and getting the hostages which still need to be realesed immediately and should never have been taken and also some
Of the citizens have hidden and held captive that also is on video ect

Bit for a while now o haven’t been able to support it with any good conscience even before the videos of starvation , ( which is happening but also is probably being propagandized by Hamas ) but before that israel would acknowledge many times bombings that killed many civilians now were in the tens of thousands and also disease and starvation because of little food and medicines is part of the campaign or at least the result of it

seems like now they are planning on taking Gaza over with the idf when it’s over he just announced that recently

That’s never going to work for anyone either and will just prolong the whole conflict and suffering and stories of atrocity .

terrible bit even when it stops ot will start up eventually and continue they don’t have any real way to fight israel it’s like an adult fighting against a toddler in strength . So they do hideous terrible terror things when they can It’s really getting ugly in my view a terrible thing every day that goes on

 

[Shoshie]

I, and I hope many others do not want to see any child starved or harmed. Yes, they are the "innocents" but we have to remember a fact of life on the ME. Many Palestinians under the leadership of Hamas put heir own children in harm's way. Whether is fear or actual Islamic belief it happens. Israel warns people (civilians) when they are coming in by robocalls, leaflets dropped from the air, etc, etc.
On Oct 6th, Jewish children saw their parents beheaded in front of them and vice versa. People were rated and brutalized. Afterwards, terrorists sat on the homes of the dead and ate. Testimonials were given by Israeli police that when they found bodies in the manner they did it was horrifying. They, who are trained to be tough were inconsolable. People's bodies were strewn on backs of trucks in public view. Many family members found out about what had happened to avrelative by seeing their dead bodies on TV. And trust me , these children who've innocent today will be their parents tomorrow without the Lotd's intervention. Children are taught at an early age that the Jew is the enemy. I would encourage you all to read the book, Son of Hamas, an eye-opener.
Finally, two points. I have a Jewish friend of many years ago. She was a baby at Israel's statehood. She was not a hawk at all. I sm definitely more so. But she made this statement, that if a Jewish person lived next door to an Arab and there was bad blood between them they would not risk their family to get back at their Arab neighbor, but the opposite would hold true for the Arab neighbor. They would risk their family to get back at the Jewish neighbor.
Golda Meir, former PM of Israel said "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us." Sonething to think about!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I, and I hope many others do not want to see any child starved or harmed. Yes, they are the "innocents" but we have to remember a fact of life on the ME. Many Palestinians under the leadership of Hamas put heir own children in harm's way. Whether is fear or actual Islamic belief it happens. Israel warns people (civilians) when they are coming in by robocalls, leaflets dropped from the air, etc, etc.
On Oct 6th, Jewish children saw their parents beheaded in front of them and vice versa. People were rated and brutalized. Afterwards, terrorists sat on the homes of the dead and ate. Testimonials were given by Israeli police that when they found bodies in the manner they did it was horrifying. They, who are trained to be tough were inconsolable. People's bodies were strewn on backs of trucks in public view. Many family members found out about what had happened to avrelative by seeing their dead bodies on TV. And trust me , these children who've innocent today will be their parents tomorrow without the Lotd's intervention. Children are taught at an early age that the Jew is the enemy. I would encourage you all to read the book, Son of Hamas, an eye-opener.
Finally, two points. I have a Jewish friend of many years ago. She was a baby at Israel's statehood. She was not a hawk at all. I sm definitely more so. But she made this statement, that if a Jewish person lived next door to an Arab and there was bad blood between them they would not risk their family to get back at their Arab neighbor, but the opposite would hold true for the Arab neighbor. They would risk their family to get back at the Jewish neighbor.
Golda Meir, former PM of Israel said "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us." Sonething to think about!

Definately there’s really a true story on. Oth sides of that conflict Palestinians have also witnessed a lot of terrible things happen to thier parents and children over many years since the Zionist movement began some real near genocidal type stuff aimed directly at only them . And many many generations before that there were Muslim and Jewish and Muslim and Christian wars . It’s been raging for hundreds of years .

The Gazans and tbose who live in “ West Bank “ are the remainder of the people who were slaughtered to initiate the Zionist movement after the war theres really a king history of atrocities honestly on both sides oct 7th was a link in a very king alternating chain of events that have been witnessed by the Palestinian and also the Israelis who have been present to witness those things

it’s a really deep and long issue and there have been so many things that have happened beteeen those peoples even long before the Zionist movement way before that it’s been raging long long time .

Thier hatred and opposition is deep , and what you’re saying there is true but that’s part of the reason I think Israel is going way to far . When they say make sure Hamas can’t retirn again are they saying “ make sure there are no Palestinians left in Gaza ? Are they operating on the knowledge that Palestinian children are taught to hate and destroy them when they grow up considering then active soldiers now ?

a lot of questions have arisen for me ( just my own opinion and thought nothing more )

 

[Shoshie]

In answer to your question, I truly believe if the Arab populations in Israel would leave the Jews alone, they could live together in peace.
First, remember, the land covenant God made first with Abraham.Abraham , initially, wanted the cov't to be carried put with Ishmael.And the Lord said He would bless Ishmael, but it would be in Isaac that Abraham's descendants would be named. Ishmael was basically the father of 12 nations, so was it somehow u fair of God to give Isaac and his descendants 1 nation.
Remember, the original Palestinians were Jews. During the time of the Roman Empire, the area was called Palestina. Who was living there? Jews.
Fast forward, 1948, the Balfour Declaration, in which, Prime Minister David Ben Gurion, spoke to the Arab population encouraging both Jews and Arabs to live in peace together in the land, but then oppositional groups began to rise up and folks like Yasser Arafat. Many of these leaders had supported Adolf Hitler including a prominent Mufti of that day. After 1948, there was attacks and wars and skirmishes ,1949, 1967, 1973 and on and on withbskirmishes in between and intifadas. And for what? The Arab leaders didn't help their own people. Arafat had monies in foreign banks while his own people starved. He was a pedophile. You g boys could be heard screaming while he molested them. His so-called wife showed up on one occasion with his daughter and he didn't recognize his own child.
Then, fast forward, remember Ariel Sharon and Bush in the Gaza uprooting. Some Jews protested, remember, it was land promised to them but they were removed. In fact, Israel's boundaries outlined in Scripture include much more than she currently has. That being said, many Israelis moved into S'derot just over border from Gaza and tried to live in peace. The Arabs had gotten what they wanted but still missiles were launched into S'derot. Children left schools running for shelters. Children slept wit parents in the innermost areas of their homes, people were suffering from PTSD from all of this.
Ariel Sharon, a former hawk and warrior of Israrl suffers a massive stroke and Bush's presidency takes a downward turn. This is a result of what the Lord had said in Joel, You have divided my land.
I, actually, liked George Bush, but when this was happening I called the White House and expressed my concerns. The lady I spoke with said you have sone good points.
Okay, do I have any friends in this forum? I really got to go to sleep. This is my passion. I could be up all night.
One final thought. My Mom passed away this past December. I miss her awfully bad!!! She was a great lover of Biblical prophecy and the Jews and Israel. This was birthed out of my great grandfather telling her Bible bed tine stories and his influence on her throughout the years. He would say to her, Honey, watch the Jews. When you see them go home in droves, you'll know the tine is near for the Lord's return. He would say I won't live to see it but you might. She wanted to see Jesus coming in the clouds. As she phrased it, I want to see the greatest event! I think she almost did, but now she's seen Him face to face!!! I cant wait either to see Hin and her and my stepdad who also passed last year and whom I also loved dearly. My message, Lift up your heads, redemption drawers nigh. Nite.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Short Video. Nun Who Actually Lived There Since 1996<

Here's What It's Really Like to Live As a Christian in Israel

And this is what I mean. Misinformation being spread. And I'm not accusing you of doing it on purpose. But sometimes you need to do research before you post. Tucker is Catholic and even though they repented of their antisemitism after the Holocaust, it seems they have fallen into the same pattern again. It was the Catholics who first put the Jews in ghettos, put restrictions on them, made them wear a badge for identity and started blood libels against them. A long history of Jewish hatred there.

https://www.camera.org/article/grudging-ap-clarification-on-israel-s-christians-falls-short/


Israel’s Christian population has increased by more than 300 percent since the founding of the Jewish state. Its population of Arab Christians, specifically, has steadily increased over the years as well. Since 1999 it has increased by almost 20 percent; since 1949, it has increased by more than 270 percent. These numbers are clearly relevant to the story, which is about Arab Christians in Israel.

The number of Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There has been a decrease in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, from which Israel withdrew in 2005 and a small, but steady increase in the West Bank where Israel has maintained a presence since the Six-Day War.

The Statistical Abstract for Israel issued on Sept. 10, 2015 (the same day the AP issued its clarification) reports that in 2014, there were 162,000 Christians living in the Jewish State. That’s an increase of 376 percent. The 2014 survey (which has been available for much longer than the 2015 survey) reports that in 2013, the Christian population of Israel totaled 159,000.

But the increase since 1948 is even more astounding. Given that most of the 34,000 Christians living in Israel in 1949 were Arabs
, this population has increased by an astonishing 278 percent, at least.

No other country in the Middle East has experienced a similar increase in its indigenous population of Christians. In fact, they have suffered catastrophic losses.

Short Video. Nun Who Actually Lived There Since 1996<

Here's What It's Really Like to Live As a Christian in Israel

And this is what I mean. Misinformation being spread. And I'm not accusing you of doing it on purpose. But sometimes you need to do research before you post. Tucker is Catholic and even though they repented of their antisemitism after the Holocaust, it seems they have fallen into the same pattern again. It was the Catholics who first put the Jews in ghettos, put restrictions on them, made them wear a badge for identity and started blood libels against them. A long history of Jewish hatred there.

https://www.camera.org/article/grudging-ap-clarification-on-israel-s-christians-falls-short/


Israel’s Christian population has increased by more than 300 percent since the founding of the Jewish state. Its population of Arab Christians, specifically, has steadily increased over the years as well. Since 1999 it has increased by almost 20 percent; since 1949, it has increased by more than 270 percent. These numbers are clearly relevant to the story, which is about Arab Christians in Israel.

The number of Christians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There has been a decrease in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, from which Israel withdrew in 2005 and a small, but steady increase in the West Bank where Israel has maintained a presence since the Six-Day War.

The Statistical Abstract for Israel issued on Sept. 10, 2015 (the same day the AP issued its clarification) reports that in 2014, there were 162,000 Christians living in the Jewish State. That’s an increase of 376 percent. The 2014 survey (which has been available for much longer than the 2015 survey) reports that in 2013, the Christian population of Israel totaled 159,000.

But the increase since 1948 is even more astounding. Given that most of the 34,000 Christians living in Israel in 1949 were Arabs
, this population has increased by an astonishing 278 percent, at least.

No other country in the Middle East has experienced a similar increase in its indigenous population of Christians. In fact, they have suffered catastrophic losses.

Beyond the more narrow issue of AP’s inaccurate and deceptive statistics, the article failed to acknowledge that the rights enjoyed by Christians (and other religious and ethnic minorities) in Israel simply do not exist in other parts of the Middle East.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But yet the redeemer comes out of zion....so confusing.

Are you being serious, or mockingly sarcastic? Jesus came from Zion, returned there after his resurretion from where he poured out the holy spirit upon Israel and all mankind and will return from there as king of Israel with his resurrected people. Zion is above; earthly Zion is a shadow of that reality

But you have drawn near Mount Zion and the city of the living GOD, to a heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, and to a gathering, an assembly of the firstborn having been enrolled in heaven; and to GOD the Judge of all, and to spirits of just ones who have been perfected; and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling speaking better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Trust me, Jewish believers make it their business to keep up with the numbers of their own who now believe and there are more believers in Israel alone, today, than in the First Century. I cant figure out why people dislike this info. Do they want Jews to go to Hell? If they do, then they had better examine their heart

Where is this idea coming from? It's not coming from us. It's something in your heart that you're projecting onto us. You need to examine your own heart for making such an unfounded accusation. It's really offensive

Also we simply don't know how many Hebrew believers there were back then, but we have estimates that there were tens of thousands. But it was probably in the hundreds of thousands worldwide because these 3 verses only pretain to Jerusalem.

Then truly the ones gladly welcoming his Word were baptized. And about three thousand souls were added that day. Acts 2:41​

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But many of those hearing the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. Acts 4:4​

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And hearing, they glorified the lord, and said to him [Paul], You see, brother, how many myriads there are of Jews that have believed, and all are zealous ones of the Law. Acts 21:20​

Myriad
G3461 μυρίας murias (mï-riy'-as) n.
1. a ten-thousand.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

then you have basically the palestinians in gazas government launch an assault on peaceful communities and a bunch of teens and young adults ata music festival for peace. Those images are all real as well all that stuff was absolutely true Hamas did that there were images everywhere

What happened there is tragic, but Hamas didn't know that a music festival was happening near the military base they were targeting, and the festival goers got caught in the crossfire. Hamas didn't have the weapons that can melt cars and burn their occupants to charcoal; that is what helicopter-fired hellfire missiles do (thus the name). All Hamas had were AK-47s and some RPGs which are incapacle of causing that kind of carnage.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In answer to your question, I truly believe if the Arab populations in Israel would leave the Jews alone, they could live together in peace.

How can you live in peace with someone that is stealing your land?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Trust me, Jewish believers make it their business to keep up with the numbers of their own who now believe and there are more believers in Israel alone, today, than in the First Century. I cant figure out why people dislike this info. Do they want Jews to go to Hell?

I think this attitude is a form of self-righteousness in which people form an identity of being more godly for lavishing praise on Jews and denigrating those who do not validate their adoration. It's exactly like a progressive imagining themselves to be morally superior for supporting transgenderism (or any of their other innumerable social justice causes) and accusing those who don't agree with them of being hateful and evil. It's exactly the same spirit.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What happened there is tragic, but Hamas didn't know that a music festival was happening near the military base they were targeting, and the festival goers got caught in the crossfire.

@Pilgrimshope If you Google this comment above, there is no proof of this. No major news sites report this. But even if it were true, they saw it was a music festival with young people and didn't stop but killed them anyway. And what they did with the bodies afterward was sick. My husband and I watched as much as we could stand of a documentary on Oct 7. Plz don't believe this foolishness.