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Dispensationalism is not biblically accurate.

Man's wrath does not work out God's vengeance!
 
Yes in one sense but the one pertaining directly to eschatology was in the first century.

Ezekiel 36:23-28
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
 
Here's a scary thought

Gods a Zionist and Jesus is a jew born of God through the seed of Abraham who refers to Israel as his friends in the last day
At the end of the day all will stand before them in judgement
Wonder how that works out? :rolleyes::eek::eek::cry:
 
Here's a scary thought

Gods a Zionist and Jesus is a jew born of God through the seed of Abraham who refers to Israel as his friends in the last day
At the end of the day all will stand before them in judgement
Wonder how that works out? :rolleyes::eek::eek::cry:

Follow Christ and do his works and you don't have to be concerned about it.
 
Ezekiel 36:23-28
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

These prophecies are therefore referring to the New Covenant, in which Jew and Gentile were brought together in the church—which was the new ‘land of Israel’

Galatians 6:16
Ephesians 2:11–22
Hebrews 8:1–13.
 
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These prophecies are therefore referring to the New Covenant, in which Jew and Gentile were brought together in the church—which was the new ‘land of Israel’

Galatians 6:16
Ephesians 2:11–22
Hebrews 8:1–13.

Yes!That's exactly what it is."and you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers and ye shall be my people and I will be your God."
The fathers of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.All who were of a remnant themselves.Set aside by God as firstborns/fruitfruits.Their inheritance was of the same as the Levites themselves.
 
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Yes!That's exactly what it is."and you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers and ye shall be my people and I will be your God."
The fathers of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.All who were of a remnant themselves.Set aside by God as firstborns/fruitfruits.Their inheritance was of the same as the Levites themselves.

The heirs of the promise refers to the promise of the Levites,and in turn they're gathered up and made into a nation in one day.
 
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I always pose this question in which when we see God's intentions of the new man, jew and gentile as one

If I were to adopt (graft) You in to my family would I become part of your family?
Or would you become part of mine?
 
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I always pose this question in which when we see God's intentions of the new man, jew and gentile as one

If I were to adopt (graft) You in to my family would I become part of your family?
Or would you become part of mine?

Everyone grafted in, which includes everyone but Christ because he is the only begotten son of God and all else are adopted children, becomes a member of the family of God. and not a member of Israel, unless of course one considers Christ to be the true Israel, which he is.
 
And not only is the Remnant the true Israel/church and not the state,but the Israel of the OT is a foreshadowing of things that were to come under the new covenant.,
That those who were non Levites were liken to the gentiles being grafted in.
 
I always pose this question in which when we see God's intentions of the new man, jew and gentile as one

If I were to adopt (graft) You in to my family would I become part of your family?
Or would you become part of mine?
It depends on the make of the Head.

"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

And the same author...

"28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."


For giggles:

adverb: neither
  1. 1.
    used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives that are being specified (the others being introduced by “nor”) to indicate that they are each untrue or each do not happen.
    "unlike her friends, she is neither a snob nor a gossip"
  2. 2.
    used to introduce a further negative statement.
    "he didn't remember, and neither did I.
determiner
determiner: neither
  1. not the one nor the other; not either.
    "neither side of the brain is dominant over the other"
 
It depends on the make of the Head.

"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

And the same author...

"28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."


For giggles:

adverb: neither
  1. 1.
    used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives that are being specified (the others being introduced by “nor”) to indicate that they are each untrue or each do not happen.
    "unlike her friends, she is neither a snob nor a gossip"
  2. 2.
    used to introduce a further negative statement.
    "he didn't remember, and neither did I.
determiner
determiner: neither
  1. not the one nor the other; not either.
    "neither side of the brain is dominant over the other"

And there it is....thank you
 
I think the arguments and/ or points of view here are basically disputes on a variety of somewhat mismatched concepts. I, at least, do not believe anyone comes into relationship with God except He come through the shed blood of Jesus. But, the arguments here seem to be based upon the assumption, that the once Israel under the Law remains under the Law, but not so! In Romans, Paul makes it clear that they accept Messian and are grafted in to the true vibe again. And even under the covenant of Law there was always a looking ahead to what was to come. For example, how the Scriptures say Abraham was counted righteous before the Law came to be. Also, , Ephesians, indicates Gentiles were predestined or seen as "in Christ" before we were in Christ. It all has to do with the foreknowledge of God.
Once, I heard soneone compare our knowledge of the events of our lives are like a movie reel. We only see one reel at a time. But God has seen all the movie from end to end because it's His plan not ours.
I detect sometimes negative feelings towards Jews from some of the comments but they should actually be on our hearts to receive Yeshua. We should be bringing them to jealousy. The wall of partition will one day ne broken down between Jews and Gentiles. He will be our peace.
I remember an article I read perhaps 35 years ago and the title was something like "Don't assume every door is a closed door." It depicted a storefront windows with the closed sign hanging and two people sitting on a bench outgrowth looking uncomfortable sitting by each other. It was an illustration of a Jew and Christian and the uncomfortableness of the Christian to share the gospel.
Many years ago, I, a Christian, attended a Bible study, at a local synagogue. Initially, people were suspicious of me, and rightly so. I wanted to be able to share about the Messiah, but I was on their turf. Anyway, Id be asked questions sometimes and sometimes I would feel entrapment when in actuality sometimes they just wanted to know more about why I and other Christians believed what we did..So risk sharing with them, you might just change a life!!!
 
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The wall of partition will one day ne broken down between Jews and Gentiles.

It was broken down nearly 2000 years ago. Any wall of partition that exists now is due to unbelief.

For he is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Ephesians 2:14
 
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Okay, whoever is eating my Israel posts, stop! Just kiddin'. Im obviously pushing a wrong button.
Just want to clarify sone things.
I sense a little edginess or uncomfortableness towards mention of Jews or Israel. I think what we are missing here is we are not in a competition with them. The Lord has the same desire for them as He did and does for us, that they would receive Him. There is much mention of living under Law, but it doesn't mean they remain that way. Doesn't Romans 11:26 say "And all Israel will be saved..." Don't both passages in Joel and Acts 2:17 proclaim that "God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh..."
A main desire of Paul's was that Israel would be saved, and ,yet, he was called predominantly to the Gentiles. Hmmm... Shoukd that be sending a message to us? Imagine, Gentiles forgetting worrying about who God favors more (realizing He loves all of us dearly and wants all to know Him ). So, what are we gonna do, continue to be jealous or provoke them to jealousy. As the Scriptures say, God can graft them in again tovwhat was a natural branch for them.
The argument may be, but they're stiffnecked. My comment has always been, weren't you too before you knew the Lord? I saw a magazine once that was produced by a Messianic Jewish group saying dont assume every door is a closed door.
I attended a Bible study in a Jewish synagogue years ago. Sometimes, questions were posed. My comment would be, may I be contraversial? To which I got responses such as, By all means. And then, I freely could mention Jesus. Once, I genuinely asked the question, why is it ....that you have such a hard time believing that Jesus is the Messiah? And my friend answered, Im not saying He isn't the Messiah. He just hasn't come for me yet...Hmmm... So let's not give up on Israel and assume every door is a closed door. Jesus isnt!!!
 
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