I didn't say you were specifically. I said IF...
But what about the weightier points in my post?
Israel... or not?
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I didn't say you were specifically. I said IF...
But what about the weightier points in my post?
And now you call Scripture twaddle.
Funny how in your inability to accept a simple, straightforward line of Scripture you must then make up all manner of things as if I have to defend all the rationalisations and justifications you give to prop up your opinion while you continually and adamantly refuse to accept what is plainly stated. Why do you add to what Scripture says, and insistently add to what I have said and then demand I support what I have not said? You deviate terribly and stubbornly refuse to admit you are in error.
The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
If you want to pretend that means they were made to sacrifice an animal or two or three or half a dozen as well as being instructed in the purpose of sacrifice to pay for their sin to point forward to the ultimate reality in the foreshadowing of Christ's sacrifice when none of that was revealed to us you are certainly free to do so, but when the revealed written Word of God tells me that God did something, I am going to agree with the Word of God and not your perversion of it.
I did. You pretend nobody tries to correct you? You refuse correction, and then lie about it.
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P1LGR1M
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Could you quote me calling Scripture twaddle?
I am not going to waste my time with your emotions. Sorry.
Just answer the questions:
Originally Posted by P1LGR1M
So show Scripture that (1) teaches "God did not instruct Adam and Eve in regards to sin and sacrifice, and (2) how your doctrine nullifies something that threads it's way from the Garden to Calvary.
Were the coats of skins from animals...did animals die to cover their sin?
It's a very simple question.
God bless.
If there is a post I have missed where you have, supply the post#.
Vicarious death is simply a Bible Basic, so I have to take issue with your view that Adam and Eve's sins were permanently covered by the coats of skins.
God bless.
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P1LGR1M
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Not sure why you would think I "pretend nobody tries to correct me," lol.
Nor have I seen any correction, but you are free to point it out. Just do me a favor, make sure you address all the points I have made in our discussion.
You haven't, and both of us know it.
So present some Scripture that shows that the coats of skins permanently covered Adam and Eve's sin. That's all you have to do to correct that which I have taken time to discuss with you.
God bless.
The Jews are part of Israel. Two tribes; Judah & Benjamin. They are not all of Israel...
This is your own interpretation and is not Biblical... We have only one source of truth and that is the Bible. I know that some people are scared to be Jewish but there is a BIG difference between being a Jew and being a part of Israel.
Jesus never told a lie (not even a little white lie) so when He said He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, He came only for the lost sheep of Israel. He understood what he had to do and why he had to do it. Without Him dying on the cross it was not possible for the divorced bride to re-marry the groom. He had to die for Israel to return to Him. You can call me a liar but will you dare say that to Jesus?
Blaspheme all you want
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P1LGR1M
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There are Twelve Tribes, not Two, and when they were divided there were Two Houses, Israel and Judah.
Would you show me the Scripture that you define Israel as Two Tribes by, Judah and Benjamin?
God bless.
I'll rephrase my statement: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior; everything is semantics.
God bless you also.
It is interesting the translations of Judah and Benjamin. They both point directly to Jesus Christ, to the members of His Body, and to all of Israel who have these qualities.
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What is also interesting is how we can see that a covenant in God's eyes is everlasting. Judah promised his father (Israel) that he would protect Benjamin and give his life to safe him in Egypt... and God saw that covenant as everlasting.
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P1LGR1M
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I'll rephrase my statement: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior; everything is semantics.
God bless you also.
I will leave mine as originally given.
Originally Posted by P1LGR1M
In my view it would not only be incorrect, it would be contrary to what we are taught.
As Christians, we have only Biblical Doctrine to support our claim of being Christians.
There are a number of groups that call themselves Christians, and say they belong to Christ, yet they teach a Christ that is not found in Scripture.
So how do we distinguish between their doctrine and our own?
Do the Writers of Scripture present the image that Doctrine is a secondary issue in regards to obedience to God and being in relationship to Him?
God bless.
God bless.
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P1LGR1M
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The Jews are only two tribes
Sorry if that came out wrong
I'm still not sure if I am correctly understanding what you are saying. Are you saying that "Jews are only from the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin?"
The term "Jew" comes from the name of the Southern Kingdom Judah, which was comprised of all tribes:
2 Chronicles 11:13-16
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the Lord:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the Lord God of their fathers.
God bless.
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KennethC
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It sounds to me on this thread that there is still a confusion for some to discern between: A physical Jew and a spiritual Jew
There is a difference and the bible speaks on both and we must learn to rightly divide the scriptures speaking on each one or they will get mingled together and confused.
God bless
There is a difference and the bible speaks on both and we must learn to rightly divide the scriptures speaking on each one or they will get mingled together and confused.
God bless
In Romans 2 [COLOR=#333333 !important]28 [/COLOR]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
He is a Jew who is a praiser of God (Yah). It strikes me profoundly how many folks are unaware that the word, Jew, short for Judah, is the part of the translated phrase naming Yahweh, God. When people use the word Jew, they out be cafreful since it is the name of God, just as is Jesus, Yeshua, Elohim, El Elyon etc. Praise God, or should I say, Yahudah!
This only differentiates the natural born Jew with faith from the natural born Jew without faith...the former being the true Jew or remnant. See the context.