Israel Declares War

[Moses_Young]

can you name a warcrime?

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians? Possibly even the standing down of the military in order to facilitate a terrorist attack.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If Hamas did not do what it did. they would be in peace today (well except Israel who continuously had to watch rockets fired at here and did nothing about it)

Wow, peace are you kidding me, the Palestinians (both CHRISTIAN and Jews) have never had peace, they were murdered and driven from their homes in 1948 and there has been no peace since then.

have you studied the history of palestine?

Of course there will be no peace. i have stated that from the beginning..

Do you know anything about Biblical history?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I am not engaging you any further.

Speaking the truth is hard is it not?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians? Possibly even the standing down of the military in order to facilitate a terrorist attack.

Indiscriminate?

When did they do this, before Hamas declared war on Israel in Oct 6?

 

[Magenta]

Yeah, but not murdering, beheading, enslaving ("dhimmitude in Islam), raping and imprisoning as is normal
in Muslim countries. There is a difference between individual hostility and persecution written into a country's
laws. Many Jews welcome Christians because many of us support Israel. Israel needs all the friends she can get.

I have shared much on the evils of Islam since I joined over eight years ago. Search my post stream: "Islam"

 

[Moses_Young]

Indiscriminate?

When did they do this, before Hamas declared war on Israel in Oct 6?

It doesn't matter. One war crime (e.g. terrorism) doesn't absolve one of another war crime. It just means there are two sets of criminals who rightly should be brought to justice.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It doesn't matter. One war crime (e.g. terrorism) doesn't absolve one of another war crime. It just means there are two sets of criminals who rightly should be brought to justice.

You have to prove it was a war crime, and that Israel just threw bombs wherever with no notion of where they went, and did not pick military targets which are free reign, and that civilians happened to die in the process of this, which has happened in every war since time began.

 

[ZNP]

It is very hard to find reliable information on this. But they say they have documented these cases which I assume includes photographs and death certificates, this is just an assumption based on their claim.

Also they appear to be an independent organization from Europe, which I would hope would be less biased than some other region, again, can't verify if they have an agenda or not.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupi...100-children-daily-gaza-october-7th-year-enar

Israel kills 100 children daily in Gaza since October 7th of this year [EN/AR]

According to Geneva conventions it is not an automatic war crime if there are innocent civilian casualties. It is only a war crime if there was not a legitimate military target and these ones were targeted.

I would also point out that the claim is that 30% of Hamas rockets misfire and land in Gaza. Since Gaza is densely populated you could assume that any misfire will have consequences by injuring or killing Palestinians.

So they are not claiming that Israel is killing 100 children daily, they are claiming 100 children are being killed.

 

[HeIsHere]

sure I do

lol

Continue to be unlearned.. I would suggest you study islam. and look at the world and what they are doing to the world.. try reading the charter of Hamas and what it says

here let me help you. A few articles from the official charter of Hamas

Article Thirteen:

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."


Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).​

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:


Article Fifteen:

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.


It is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses). It is important that basic changes be made in the school curriculum, to cleanse it of the traces of ideological invasion that affected it as a result of the orientalists and missionaries who infiltrated the region following the defeat of the Crusaders at the hands of Salah el-Din (Saladin). The Crusaders realised that it was impossible to defeat the Moslems without first having ideological invasion pave the way by upsetting their thoughts, disfiguring their heritage and violating their ideals. Only then could they invade with soldiers. This, in its turn, paved the way for the imperialistic invasion that made Allenby declare on entering Jerusalem: "Only now have the Crusades ended." General Guru stood at Salah el-Din's grave and said: "We have returned, O Salah el-Din." Imperialism has helped towards the strengthening of ideological invasion, deepening, and still does, its roots. All this has paved the way towards the loss of Palestine.


It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. Palestine contains Islamic holy sites. In it there is al- Aqsa Mosque which is bound to the great Mosque in Mecca in an inseparable bond as long as heaven and earth speak of Isra` (Mohammed's midnight journey to the seven heavens) and Mi'raj (Mohammed's ascension to the seven heavens from Jerusalem).

"The bond of one day for the sake of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it. The place of one's whip in Paradise is far better than the world and whatever there is on it. A worshipper's going and coming in the service of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it." (As related by al-Bukhari, Moslem, al-Tarmdhi and Ibn Maja).​

"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).​

this is just a snapshot.. there is far more

You can continue to live in blindness. or you can come to the truth.

Change the goalpost.

Official Charter of Hamas does not speak for all Islam.

 

[ZNP]

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians? Possibly even the standing down of the military in order to facilitate a terrorist attack.

30% of Hamas missiles are misfires and hit Gaza, so the indiscriminate bombing is a Hamas war crime.

 

[HeIsHere]

Speaking the truth is hard is it not?

The younger generation gets it, you should listen but you won't.

"Israel has the right to defend itself, has now become cover for Israel, has the right

to commit genocide right in front of our eyes.

How come we never hear the words Palestine has the right to defend itself?

Not when a humanitarian flotilla bring in essential supplies to Gaza, is met with a

military assault and the murder by Israel of nine unarmed activists."

 

[HeIsHere]

Not after the countless bombings of Gaza by Israeli forces, not even when Israel targeted


and murdered four little Palestinian boys playing football on a beach and not when Palestinians


were dragged from their homes and forced to watch as those homes are destroyed to allow


for a new illegal Israeli settlements on lands that are clearly defined in international


law as part of Palestine and not after the countless offensive attacks by Israel against

 

[Smoke]

Geneva conventions of 1949, you can find them listed online.

I was asking for the ones you think Israel is guilty of like how you made bold the ones you thought applied to the bombing in Hiroshima. Unless you're saying you posted it online? Can I get the link?

 

[ZNP]

Democrats And News Orgs That Promoted False Palestinian Claims That Israel Bombed Hospital

https://www.dailywire.com/news/demo...alestinian-claims-that-israel-bombed-hospital

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The younger generation gets it, you should listen but you won't.

"Israel has the right to defend itself, has now become cover for Israel, has the right

to commit genocide right in front of our eyes.

How come we never hear the words Palestine has the right to defend itself?

Not when a humanitarian flotilla bring in essential supplies to Gaza, is met with a

military assault and the murder by Israel of nine unarmed activists."

so lets see

Isreal lives in peace with Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.. all three religions in their capital city of Jerusalem.

Israel allowed Palestinians to come into Israel to work (they have talked to these people. and said it was israel allowing them to do this which caused the attack on Oct 6 to be so successful)

yet they want to obliterate palestinians and wipe them off the earth (ps Palesinian population has gone up in the past few decades not down) so israel is either inept at trying to wipe out a people. or it is a lie that they want this to happen.

Dude you can listen to all the propoganda you want. or you can look at reality..

 

[ZNP]

I was asking for the ones you think Israel is guilty of like how you made bold the ones you thought applied to the bombing in Hiroshima. Unless you're saying you posted it online? Can I get the link?

I refuse to make those judgements during the fog of war. I don't have any reliable trustworthy unbiased news source with which to judge.

How many times do I have to repeat this?

I would say that according to the Geneva conventions collateral damage (civilians killed in a valid military operation) is not a war crime. If you are targeting a legitimate military target such as missiles being fired at your country and civilians are also killed that is not a war crime.

Based on that, I have heard stories concerning what Hamas did on day 1, clearly the allegations against them would be considered a war crime.

I have also heard many things said against Israel that would also be considered war crimes but I cannot substantiate any of them, and those who make these claims have been shown to be both biased and liars, nor have they retracted what they said about the Hospital. So I don't even think those allegations would be enough to indict.

 

[Smoke]

You are misplacing the blame. Netanyahu would not be killed by his own people. The problem for Palestinian people is Hamas. Hamas shifts the blame to Netanyahu. Netanyahu has sworn to protect his people. And that's what he is doing. You probably don't recognize that because it's not true here. But some countries actually protect their borders and have leaders who put their people first.

Do you think Israelis are just not that breed to kill their own prime minister or are you saying Netanyahu is beloved so much that the people wouldn't kill him?

Wasn't the guy that assassinated the prime minister Yitzhak Rabin an Israeli Jew?

 

[ZNP]

The younger generation gets it, you should listen but you won't.

"Israel has the right to defend itself, has now become cover for Israel, has the right

to commit genocide right in front of our eyes.

How come we never hear the words Palestine has the right to defend itself?

Not when a humanitarian flotilla bring in essential supplies to Gaza, is met with a

military assault and the murder by Israel of nine unarmed activists."

Do you know why no one listens to this but "the young people"? It is because we have heard the lies for 50 years about Israel, we also bought into it until it was proven to be lies. Not saying Israel is "righteous", they are no different than the US, or any other developed nation, but they are not terrorists. Over the last 50 years I have seen one terrorist attack after another perpetrated by the enemies of Israel. I have also seen accusations and allegations made against Israel every single year. Never did I see them apologize or retract when found to be false, so I have come to the conclusion they are not going to repent for lying, that is why I no longer listen to them.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you think Israelis are just not that breed to kill their own prime minister or are you saying Netanyahu is beloved so much that the people wouldn't kill him?

Wasn't the guy that assassinated the prime minister Yitzhak Rabin an Israeli Jew?

I'm saying in most democracies, leaders aren't killed by the people or by political rivals. They are killed by wealthy organizations working behind the scene.

 

[Smoke]

Israel is responding to an attack on its people and its country. It has every right to make sure that the people who attacked he does not have the capability to do it again.

I absolutely hope Israel eradicates Hamas. However, someone should tell them there is no need to "defend" themselves against Palestinian civilians, especially children, by blowing them up in their homes in hopes they get kill the Hamas terrorists.

That is the very meaning of "throwing the baby out with the bath water". But hey, we are all pro-life right...